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    should the president enforce an exective order to pay us bills before oct 17

    should the prez execute an executive order to pay bills, vets and gov workers already acrued by congress so the u.s. will not have an economic disaster in the world... and / can the supreme court help verify it first..

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    Re: should the president enforce an exective order to pay us bills before oct 17

    not unless he is pulling the money from other services to do it

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    Re: should the president enforce an exective order to pay us bills before oct 17

    Quote Originally Posted by plutonium View Post
    should the prez execute an executive order to pay bills, vets and gov workers already acrued by congress so the u.s. will not have an economic disaster in the world... and / can the supreme court help verify it first..
    he has sworn an oath to uphold the Constitution, including the 14th amendment
    AMENDMENT XIV

    SECTION 1.

    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

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    Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.

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    The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

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    The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
    emphasis added by bubba

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    Re: should the president enforce an exective order to pay us bills before oct 17

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    he has sworn an oath to uphold the Constitution, including the 14th amendment


    emphasis added by bubba

    14th Amendment | U.S. Constitution | LII / Legal Information Institute
    There is no Constitutional authority for such an order. The Constitution is specific that it is Congress that enforces the 14th. NOTHING in the Constitution allows a president to convey authority to himself.

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    Re: should the president enforce an exective order to pay us bills before oct 17

    In theory, the US Supreme Court could order it be paid. It could rule that Congress not paying the debt is Unconstitutional and then render a judgment paying the debt. But there is no constitutional authority for the president to convey such authority to himself.

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    Re: should the president enforce an exective order to pay us bills before oct 17

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    In theory, the US Supreme Court could order it be paid. It could rule that Congress not paying the debt is Unconstitutional and then render a judgment paying the debt. But there is no constitutional authority for the president to convey such authority to himself.
    unlike Harry S Truman, who issued such XO, Obama does not have the gravitas (more accurately, the gonads) to do the same
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    Re: should the president enforce an exective order to pay us bills before oct 17

    He cant. Executive orders do not extend to the legislative branch...the legislative branch controls the purse strings.

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    Re: should the president enforce an exective order to pay us bills before oct 17

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    He cant. Executive orders do not extend to the legislative branch...the legislative branch controls the purse strings.
    he could direct the treasury to pay all EXISTING just federal obligations. the ones the congress has already obligated (but not appropriated)
    just as did Harry asS Truman
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    Re: should the president enforce an exective order to pay us bills before oct 17

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    he has sworn an oath to uphold the Constitution, including the 14th amendment


    emphasis added by bubba

    14th Amendment | U.S. Constitution | LII / Legal Information Institute
    Yeah, except that Section 5 gives him zero authority to do anything.
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    Re: should the president enforce an exective order to pay us bills before oct 17

    Yes. I think that is what he should do. Then start impeachment proceedings against the legislators who failed to legislate.

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