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    Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Having two branches of Congress increasingly brings the government to a gridlock. The Senate was created when the federal government was going to have virtually no power for which each state was a quasi-independent country joining with others primarily for military defense. But that all ended with the Civil War and is ancient history.

    Why should the people and state of Wyoming have 7000% more political power than a Californian and California? Wyoming doesn't contribute 7000% more to the good of the nation. Shouldn't it be one-person-one-vote, rather than 1 vote for a California and 70 votes for a someone who votes in Wyoming? This also leads to massive out-of-state-money being thrown into low population states. The state of Wyoming and many other states have a total population that is only a fraction of just a major American city. I see no justification for that anymore.

    I think the Constitution should be amended to eliminate the Senate. This is not limited to the current Congressional mess at all. Rather, it is a growing problem overall and a serious question of the fairness of democracy/republic form of government.

    Your opinion?
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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Your opinion?
    I say no. This keeps everything in check. There should be as much red tape on the government itself as possible. It should be hard for them to draft laws, not easy. The legislation going back and fourth between the house and senate before it goes to the president's desk is one of those red tapes on the government.
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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Having two branches of Congress increasingly brings the government to a gridlock. The Senate was created when the federal government was going to have virtually no power for which each state was a quasi-independent country joining with others primarily for military defense. But that all ended with the Civil War and is ancient history.

    Why should the people and state of Wyoming have 7000% more political power than a Californian and California? Wyoming doesn't contribute 7000% more to the good of the nation. Shouldn't it be one-person-one-vote, rather than 1 vote for a California and 70 votes for a someone who votes in Wyoming? This also leads to massive out-of-state-money being thrown into low population states. The state of Wyoming and many other states have a total population that is only a fraction of just a major American city. I see no justification for that anymore.

    I think the Constitution should be amended to eliminate the Senate. This is not limited to the current Congressional mess at all. Rather, it is a growing problem overall and a serious question of the fairness of democracy/republic form of government.

    Your opinion?
    I think the Senate and the House generally strike a nice balance between state power and the power of the people. It could never be done anyway since Article V prohibits constitutional amendments depriving any state of equal suffrage in the Senate without its consent.
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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Having two branches of Congress increasingly brings the government to a gridlock. The Senate was created when the federal government was going to have virtually no power for which each state was a quasi-independent country joining with others primarily for military defense. But that all ended with the Civil War and is ancient history.
    You seem to have the Articles of Confederation confused with the Constitution. The Anti-Federalists lost the debate and the Constitution was written and ratified in favor of a strong federal government to keep the union together. When the States signed on they gave up most of their sovereignty to the federal government.

    Why should the people and state of Wyoming have 7000% more political power than a Californian and California? Wyoming doesn't contribute 7000% more to the good of the nation. Shouldn't it be one-person-one-vote, rather than 1 vote for a California and 70 votes for a someone who votes in Wyoming? This also leads to massive out-of-state-money being thrown into low population states. The state of Wyoming and many other states have a total population that is only a fraction of just a major American city. I see no justification for that anymore.
    Each state gets two senators so the larger states won't have more power than the smaller states. The people can elect their senators and each Senator only gets one vote, so what are you talking about?

    I think the Constitution should be amended to eliminate the Senate. This is not limited to the current Congressional mess at all. Rather, it is a growing problem overall and a serious question of the fairness of democracy/republic form of government.

    Your opinion?
    You didn't make a very good case for elinimating the Senate.

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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    First I noticed it was Traffic Enforcement Cameras..Next I noticed it was Congress he wanted to abolish..Now it's the Senate..DP has its own 'TEAs' that just want to abolish stuff, like the government..That govt. our great Republican POTUSs since Lincoln have given us..
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    You seem to have the Articles of Confederation confused with the Constitution. The Anti-Federalists lost the debate and the Constitution was written and ratified in favor of a strong federal government to keep the union together. When the States signed on they gave up most of their sovereignty to the federal government.

    Each state gets two senators so the larger states won't have more power than the smaller states. The people can elect their senators and each Senator only gets one vote, so what are you talking about?

    You didn't make a very good case for elinimating the Senate.
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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    If we're going to do away with anything, get rid of the ****ing lobby groups. They have effectively replaced the voice of the American people with the sound of money finding its way into our elected officials pockets.
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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    If we're going to do away with anything, get rid of the ****ing lobby groups. They have effectively replaced the voice of the American people with the sound of money finding its way into our elected officials pockets.
    Industry experts with real world experience providing their opinions of policy and the likely impacts on them and the economy is an essential aspect of representation.

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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Industry experts with real world experience providing their opinions of policy and the likely impacts on them and the economy is an essential aspect of representation.
    Some are. Others resort to the crime of bribery, sweet talking the right people to get multibillion dollar government and military contracts to churn out inferior products and equipment, or finesse bailouts at the taxpayers expense.
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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    Some are. Others resort to the crime of bribery, sweet talking the right people to get multibillion dollar government and military contracts to churn out inferior products and equipment, or finesse bailouts at the taxpayers expense.
    So your objection is corruption, not lobby groups.

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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    So your objection is corruption, not lobby groups.
    You can't keep people from being corrupt, but you can take the sugar away from the ants.
    I love the NSA. It's like having a secret fan-base you will never see, but they're there, watching everything you write and it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that I may be some person's only form of unconstitutional entertainment one night.

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