View Poll Results: Should the Constitution be amended to eliminate the Senate?

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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I think the senate is functioning a lot better than the house. You can't gerrymander a whole state the way you can a district. I think gerrymandering, the phenomenon of primary-ing out more moderate candidates, and tremendous private campaign funding are the biggest problems. Only the last is also a problem in senate.
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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    : And once again, an excellent well presented post!
    the same can be said of the filibuster, in a way it prevents government from running amok with knee jerk legislation.
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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Absolutely not. Now if you said you wanted to amend the Constitution to eliminate political parties, lobbyists and the like, I'd be all for that.
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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Having two branches of Congress increasingly brings the government to a gridlock. The Senate was created when the federal government was going to have virtually no power for which each state was a quasi-independent country joining with others primarily for military defense. But that all ended with the Civil War and is ancient history.

    Why should the people and state of Wyoming have 7000% more political power than a Californian and California? Wyoming doesn't contribute 7000% more to the good of the nation. Shouldn't it be one-person-one-vote, rather than 1 vote for a California and 70 votes for a someone who votes in Wyoming? This also leads to massive out-of-state-money being thrown into low population states. The state of Wyoming and many other states have a total population that is only a fraction of just a major American city. I see no justification for that anymore.

    I think the Constitution should be amended to eliminate the Senate. This is not limited to the current Congressional mess at all. Rather, it is a growing problem overall and a serious question of the fairness of democracy/republic form of government.

    Your opinion?
    Boy I WISH Wyoming had 70 votes in the Senate. It'd certainly inject the appropriate amount of sanity into that [currently] insanely run body.
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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    No, it isn't.

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    No it doesn't. It requires voicing your opinion. That's it. Some people simply choose to do that by forming organizations and spending lots of money.

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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    to divide the state up into manageable portions which can each send representatives to the federal government.

    the intended purpose is not to create republican or democrat strongholds. using only population data to draw the districts will allow more competition, and the districts will be largely less secure.
    Isnt that up to the states to decide? Theres no federal law that requires this purpose. Doesn't it make sense to put people of similar beliefs in the same districts so that they can choose someone who will be representative of those beliefs?

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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Isnt that up to the states to decide? Theres no federal law that requires this purpose. Doesn't it make sense to put people of similar beliefs in the same districts so that they can choose someone who will be representative of those beliefs?
    by allowing the ruling party to draw the districts, the states have proven that they can't handle this responsibility objectively. it is against the public interest to create "safe" districts, as that allows specially selected voters to insulate overly partisan representatives from voter feedback.

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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Having two branches of Congress increasingly brings the government to a gridlock. The Senate was created when the federal government was going to have virtually no power for which each state was a quasi-independent country joining with others primarily for military defense. But that all ended with the Civil War and is ancient history.

    Why should the people and state of Wyoming have 7000% more political power than a Californian and California? Wyoming doesn't contribute 7000% more to the good of the nation. Shouldn't it be one-person-one-vote, rather than 1 vote for a California and 70 votes for a someone who votes in Wyoming? This also leads to massive out-of-state-money being thrown into low population states. The state of Wyoming and many other states have a total population that is only a fraction of just a major American city. I see no justification for that anymore.

    I think the Constitution should be amended to eliminate the Senate. This is not limited to the current Congressional mess at all. Rather, it is a growing problem overall and a serious question of the fairness of democracy/republic form of government.

    Your opinion?




    Hell no.


    Gridlock, or at least some "Slow" and "Caution" signs on the road to legislation, is the very REASON we have a Bicameral Congress... along with the Founders didn't WANT pure Democracy to rule the nation, and the Senate acts as a counterbalance to having the majority (highly urbanized states) run roughshod over the minority (lower population states).


    It is among the fundamental safeguards that are supposed to help hold down legislation in general, and protect us somewhat from ill-considered bills... hell if anything I want MORE roadblocks to legislation!

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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    by allowing the ruling party to draw the districts, the states have proven that they can't handle this responsibility objectively. it is against the public interest to create "safe" districts, as that allows specially selected voters to insulate overly partisan representatives from voter feedback.
    So instead of leaving it in the ruling parties hands of the state you will leave it in the ruling parties hands of the federal government. That solves everything..

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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Gerry-Mandering is why we have the 17th amendment, which Repubs also want to get rid of..
    Because state-houses were GM-ing and then the statehouses APPOINT the Senators in the original Constitution..
    Would you like to go back to when BOTH chambers were GMed?
    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Isnt that up to the states to decide? Theres no federal law that requires this purpose. Doesn't it make sense to put people of similar beliefs in the same districts so that they can choose someone who will be representative of those beliefs?
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