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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    You can't keep people from being corrupt, but you can take the sugar away from the ants.
    I think that industry expert lobbying is integral to representation and informed development. It's not worth giving that up to fight corruption. Corruption should be engaged directly and without degrading our flow of information to the government.

    I would consider banning lobbyists to be cutting off ones nose to spite ones face.

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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I think that industry expert lobbying is integral to representation and informed development. It's not worth giving that up to fight corruption. Corruption should be engaged directly and without degrading our flow of information to the government.

    I would consider banning lobbyists to be cutting off ones nose to spite ones face.
    And I think that things like junkets, all expense paid trips, and financial campaign backings that result in quid pro quo arrangements are sinking the nation, simply because some legislative officials care more about their investment portfolios than the people who put them in office as a representative. If we can't get rid of lobbyists, we should certainly look into adding extreme limitations on what lobbyists are allowed to do. If their opinions are relevant, and the issues they bring up worthwhile, they shouldn't have to wine and dine our congressmen and senators.
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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Having two branches of Congress increasingly brings the government to a gridlock. The Senate was created when the federal government was going to have virtually no power for which each state was a quasi-independent country joining with others primarily for military defense. But that all ended with the Civil War and is ancient history.

    Why should the people and state of Wyoming have 7000% more political power than a Californian and California? Wyoming doesn't contribute 7000% more to the good of the nation. Shouldn't it be one-person-one-vote, rather than 1 vote for a California and 70 votes for a someone who votes in Wyoming? This also leads to massive out-of-state-money being thrown into low population states. The state of Wyoming and many other states have a total population that is only a fraction of just a major American city. I see no justification for that anymore.

    I think the Constitution should be amended to eliminate the Senate. This is not limited to the current Congressional mess at all. Rather, it is a growing problem overall and a serious question of the fairness of democracy/republic form of government.

    Your opinion?
    Not eliminate, but reapportion both houses. We have several states with populations less than many congressional districts with outsized influence in Congress (yeah I know that was the point originally but it is now subverting majority rule).

    I would like to see the Constitution amended so that states could have 1, 2 or 3 Senators depending on size, or even have to share a senator with another state if they were both that small (North and South Dakota, Wyoming and Montana). That still gives small states an advantage, but levels it more. I think the House of Representatives should expand in size so that constituents could actually access their Representative; but even if there were 1000 Reps that would still be around 300K citizens per Rep. I'd also make redistricting completely nonpartisan and based solely on geography and population, no more Gerrymandering.
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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    Not eliminate, but reapportion both houses. We have several states with populations less than many congressional districts with outsized influence in Congress (yeah I know that was the point originally but it is now subverting majority rule).

    I would like to see the Constitution amended so that states could have 1, 2 or 3 Senators depending on size, or even have to share a senator with another state if they were both that small (North and South Dakota, Wyoming and Montana). That still gives small states an advantage, but levels it more.
    This is pretty much the only thing that's impossible to amend the Constitution due to Article V.

    I think the House of Representatives should expand in size so that constituents could actually access their Representative; but even if there were 1000 Reps that would still be around 300K citizens per Rep.
    There is definitely some merit to that idea. I'm not sure if the pros outweigh the cons though. Representatives being closer to their constituents would be a good thing, but with that many members I'm not sure that Congress wouldn't become unwieldy.

    I'd also make redistricting completely nonpartisan and based solely on geography and population, no more Gerrymandering.
    This I completely agree with. It can never be completely nonpartisan, but I like the work that the commissions have done in the states where they exist like Iowa.
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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    First I noticed it was Traffic Enforcement Cameras..Next I noticed it was Congress he wanted to abolish..Now it's the Senate..DP has its own 'TEAs' that just want to abolish stuff, like the government..That govt. our great Republican POTUSs since Lincoln have given us..
    Never said I wanted to eliminate Congress. To the contrary, I think Congress should stand it's ground and not allow it's power to be dimished. However, I think Congress should consist of 1 branch and for which 1-citizen-1-vote applies.

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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    You seem to have the Articles of Confederation confused with the Constitution. The Anti-Federalists lost the debate and the Constitution was written and ratified in favor of a strong federal government to keep the union together. When the States signed on they gave up most of their sovereignty to the federal government.

    Each state gets two senators so the larger states won't have more power than the smaller states. The people can elect their senators and each Senator only gets one vote, so what are you talking about?

    You didn't make a very good case for elinimating the Senate.
    The Senate, like the House, can gridlock any law, bill, war and budget. Voters in Wyoming have 70 times the voting strength than voters in California. Smaller population states should not have the same legislative power as more populous states in my opinion, nor should their voters have 70 times the influence over the federal government.

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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Our "system" of government is pretty good. The problem is our willingness to elect or allow to be elected by not voting. People that do not have the best interests of the nation at heart.

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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    No way, The senate structure allows consensus building and stabilizes policy swings as the political pendulum swings left to right. However I would advocate removing the popular election from the senate and return it to state legislative appointment with term limits in place.

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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Should the Constitution be amended to eliminate the Senate?
    no, the constitution should be amended to eliminate gerrymandering by letting a computer draw all districts nationwide using only census data. this would solve all kinds of problems.

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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    And I think that things like junkets, all expense paid trips, and financial campaign backings that result in quid pro quo arrangements are sinking the nation, simply because some legislative officials care more about their investment portfolios than the people who put them in office as a representative. If we can't get rid of lobbyists, we should certainly look into adding extreme limitations on what lobbyists are allowed to do. If their opinions are relevant, and the issues they bring up worthwhile, they shouldn't have to wine and dine our congressmen and senators.
    I can agree.

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