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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    are you asking on a state or federal level ..........or both?
    Ignore that ****, he doesn't have a single clue. The thread is about rid the Congress of the Senate, and he wants you to prove why they should be kept. Don't fall for that trick, make him prove why they should be removed. He can't, because he's never proven a goddam thing since he joined this board. He's a sidestepper, who never entered a debate head on, because he can't. Go follow him in the gun forum, pathetic.
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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    I voted no, but the 17th should be repealed...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    The 17th is fine, we just need term limits.

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    I voted no, but the 17th should be repealed...
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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lukas105 View Post
    The 17th is fine, we just need term limits.
    Respectively, I disagree. The Senate was created to represent the individual States, not a party or communal ideal...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Ignore that ****, he doesn't have a single clue. The thread is about rid the Congress of the Senate, and he wants you to prove why they should be kept. Don't fall for that trick, make him prove why they should be removed. He can't, because he's never proven a goddam thing since he joined this board. He's a sidestepper, who never entered a debate head on, because he can't. Go follow him in the gun forum, pathetic.
    well i have an example for him for both federal and state, ...he does not bother me.

    i am still waiting for him to openly challenge me, on Madison creating the foundation of the constutution months before the constitutional convention.
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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well i have an example for him for both federal and state, ...he does not bother me.

    i am still waiting for him to openly challenge me, on Madison creating the foundation of the constutution months before the constitutional convention.
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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lukas105 View Post
    The 17th is fine, we just need term limits.
    we had build in term limits before the 17th, if you go back and look at history.. no state legislature kept sending back the same guy for the senate for decades.

    its only after the 17th you start seeing long term senators, like robert byrd, of over 50 years.

    but term limits are not going to solve the problem, we have to have a state voice back into government to put the federal governments powers back into check.

    with the 17th , its moves us closer to democracy., which the founders did not want.

    our government was created off of the roman republic, not the democracy of Greece.

    john Adams in his works #6 states that if the roman style of government a were ever changed to a representative democracy, by allowing the people to vote for senators of the roman senate, it would be a terrible form of government, becuase it would become very factious, and in the end destroy itself.

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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    So from what I see, the best form a handling the Senate would be having the Representatives vote for them? The House of Representatives would get term limits, so new ideas would certainly circulate, in the form of voting for Senators that fit the views of the Representatives.


    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    we had build in term limits before the 17th, if you go back and look at history.. no state legislature kept sending back the same guy for the senate for decades.

    its only after the 17th you start seeing long term senators, like robert byrd, of over 50 years.

    but term limits are not going to solve the problem, we have to have a state voice back into government to put the federal governments powers back into check.

    with the 17th , its moves us closer to democracy., which the founders did not want.

    our government was created off of the roman republic, not the democracy of Greece.

    john Adams in his works #6 states that if the roman style of government a were ever changed to a representative democracy, by allowing the people to vote for senators of the roman senate, it would be a terrible form of government, becuase it would become very factious, and in the end destroy itself.
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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lukas105 View Post
    So from what I see, the best form a handling the Senate would be having the Representatives vote for them? The House of Representatives would get term limits, so new ideas would certainly circulate, in the form of voting for Senators that fit the views of the Representatives.
    you would vote for your state legislature, and they appoint a senator, so you are exercising a indirect vote for your senator, that senator acts in the interest of your state, to see the federal government does not violate your rights, and tax you, and does not step outside of the constitution., since that state power is there to keep the federal government in check.

    this also makes people more inclined to vote in their state elections, and be more informed

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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    I agree, now that it has been thoroughly explained.

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you would vote for your state legislature, and they appoint a senator, so you are exercising a indirect vote for your senator, that senator acts in the interest of your state, to see the federal government does not violate your rights, and tax you, and does not step outside of the constitution., since that state power is there to keep the federal government in check.

    this also makes people more inclined to vote in their state elections, and be more informed
    "When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty."
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