View Poll Results: Should the Constitution be amended to eliminate the Senate?

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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Perhaps you didn't read my previous posts?
    Here are your own words from your own post 120



    We don't have a system where some peoples votes are weighted more heavilly than others in national matters. They are all equal.
    As pointed out to you

    1- the election of a President of the United States meets your own qualifier of NATIONAL MATTERS.
    2- verifiable evidence was provided to you showing that all votes in this matter ARE NOT EQUAL.
    3- Are you backing down from your own statement that I just reproduced for you?
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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    it is you who want only direct power in the hands of the people...........that is democracy.........and its majority rule.

    majority rule leads to mob rule......history has proven that.
    Then it should be easy for you to show us with verifiable evidence where the majority voted to remove the rights of a minority. Please do.
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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Yes, I would eliminate or change the apportioning of representatives to the Senate and the Electoral College because currently they both give too much power to states with lower populations. Democracy isn't perfect, but it is the best and fairest way to make policy decisions. I would also end all official recognition of political parties in the legislatures and in the election process.

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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    even you cannot be this clueless, i am discussing the move towards much deeper majority rule now, and what its effects will be in the future...
    and you base this on the realities of the past.................... but you are powerless to cite any for us. That is very telling.
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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Wrong. Mob rule is just that. Mob rule. It is not dependent on neither the right nor the left. I find it interesting that you think that it is being used to insult the left as indicated by your words of "right wing pejorative".
    Iagree that mob rule is indeed mob rule. And it is not the majority exercising their right to vote and win elections which is being disparaged in this thread as mob rule.
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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    This shows haymarket just bypasses and ignores the answers he doesn't like, and continues on making the same claim as though no one has responded. francois60 actually gave him a pretty good answer, but that won't help haymarket justify ignorantly restructuring our government.
    Then why don't you simply provide the evidence of the majority using the vote to take away the rights of the minority then and prove the point?

    No such evidence was provided by francois60.
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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Wrong. Mob rule is just that. Mob rule. It is not dependent on neither the right nor the left. I find it interesting that you think that it is being used to insult the left as indicated by your words of "right wing pejorative".
    The right wing tends to be less democratic and more authoritarian than the left, so it was not an unreasonable assumption.

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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i am stating what mob rule is, democracy means majority rule....and sooner or later that majority will turn on the minority, and that is from history.
    Although not always applied perfectly, our constitution has many protections for the rights of minorities. We also have courts empowered to insure those constitutional protections for minorities are applied.

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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Then why don't you simply provide the evidence of the majority using the vote to take away the rights of the minority then and prove the point?

    No such evidence was provided by francois60.
    Why should I provide you any evidence, you're the proponent of change. Prove it's needed.
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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Then it should be easy for you to show us with verifiable evidence where the majority voted to remove the rights of a minority. Please do.
    i will be most happy to!

    we will use the ACA, becuase america has moved closer to democracy with the 17th amendment, this has given us majority rule ...how?

    becuase with the 17th amendment the ACA was pushed using only the interest of the people, and not the interest too of the states, ............. the state legislatures have no power to stop.

    however after the law was passed 26 states sued to have ACA ruled unconstitutional.

    if the 17th amendment had not existed, those state legislatures would have directed there senators to vote NO , for the ACA, and it would never have become law.

    26 x 2 senators is 52 senators...it would never have passed, because the states interested would have be represented in congress, and prevented the majority rule of the people, from getting ACA law in place.

    the whole idea of a bi-Carmel congress, was to give power to the people.......... and the states, and have both of their interest represented.

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