View Poll Results: Should the Constitution be amended to eliminate the Senate?

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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    many of you , are wanting to rip the guts of the federal government structure right out of the constitution, and remove the last few checks and balances of government, and seek to destroy republican government, and turn us into a democracy......no wonder America is failing!

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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    While you are making predictions - so we can see how powerful your powers of prediction are - can you give me next weeks winning Power Ball numbers?

    then please answer my question about when in US history the majority voted to take away rights from the minority?
    even you cannot be this clueless, i am discussing the move towards much deeper majority rule now, and what its effects will be in the future...

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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    MOB RULE is a right wing pejorative for majority rule as used in this thread. It is intended to be insulting as well as blatantly false.
    Wrong. Mob rule is just that. Mob rule. It is not dependent on neither the right nor the left. I find it interesting that you think that it is being used to insult the left as indicated by your words of "right wing pejorative".
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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by francois60 View Post
    The system is designed to require shifting coalitions. In theory, ten big states could band together and rule the nation if we had proportional representation. Obviously that won't happen because those states have too many conflicting interests. But the smaller states worried enough about that that they required approval for all laws not just from a popular house, but also a Senate, which by definition means a majority of states agree when something gets passed.

    So any law requires that not only 51% of the people support it, but also at least 26 states.

    Also, understand that the majority of governance is at the state and local level. The federal government only has a limited set of responsibilities, and I think it does make sense for the states to be in general agreement when deciding to let the federal government do various things for that reason.

    If we transitioned to a government where the federal government had unlimited powers, and the states were simply administrative districts, then a Senate would make no sense. But as long as states are self-governing, and vastly different in how they self-govern, they also need a say in how the federal government.
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    How do any of these examples for state or local laws dealing with a state or local problem justify allowing a system where the votes of some people are weighted more heavilly than others in national matters?
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    What is the justification for having a system where a minority of people can stifle the will of a much larger majority in matters within the Constitution?
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    There's your problem. We don't have a system where some peoples votes are weighted more heavilly than others in national matters. They are all equal.
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    What is the justification for having a system where the majority of people can stifle the minority in matters within the Constitution?
    This shows haymarket just bypasses and ignores the answers he doesn't like, and continues on making the same claim as though no one has responded. francois60 actually gave him a pretty good answer, but that won't help haymarket justify ignorantly restructuring our government.
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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    You're mistaking lobbyists for advisors. Advisors provide impartial insight that aids their rulers in implementing policy that achieves a balance between interested parties and allows civilization to progress.

    Lobbyists use every ounce of influence they can muster (and some of them have quite a lot) to have policy reflect that they are the most important thing in the republic and that the entire republic and all the people within it should break to serve their organization's needs.

    Ordinarily I would say lobbyists are better than having no kind of advisor, but frankly the practice has become so corrupt it wouldn't matter much if incompetent rulers started implementing policy unilaterally without consulting anyone. That's pretty much what it amounts to.
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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    CA has 53 representatives in the house

    WY has 1 representative in the house
    And how many Seanators are there? 2 from Wyoming and 2 from California.
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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    And how many Seanators are there? 2 from Wyoming and 2 from California.
    yes, at first it was only to be 1, then they choose two.

    remember when the senate was created it was to represent the states and not the people, and give every state equal footing in government.

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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Perhaps you didn't read my previous posts? Despite your quote of it that is....



    Your example is of voting in our representatives. That includes the President. As such I fully believe that the Electoral system should be gotten rid of.

    When it comes to laws however, each district should have one vote and no more.
    Perhaps you shouldn't let him change the subject.
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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    When did we get rulers?
    I think Obama is a ruler.
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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I've introduced a lot of words. I don't see you asking for the definition of each and every single one of those words.
    It was the word SUPPRESSED which was crucial to your position. Thus it is the word you need to define.
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