View Poll Results: Should the Constitution be amended to eliminate the Senate?

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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    What is the justification for having a system where the majority of people can stifle the minority in matters within the Constitution?
    Lincoln said it best..... a government of the people, by the people and for the people. How else can you decide the will of the people other than by the people themselves?

    Now can you answer my question which you reversed on me?
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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    MOB RULE is a right wing pejorative for majority rule as used in this thread. It is intended to be insulting as well as blatantly false.

    mob rule was around before the republicans came into being

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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    What is the justification for having a system where the majority of people can stifle the minority in matters within the Constitution?
    Funny, I thought they supported the little guy.
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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Why are you unable to address what I stated without resorting to your usual semantical debate tactics? If words and definitions mean something then you should have no problem addressing what I stated as the words and definitions are the same for both you and me.
    You introduced the word. Not me. I asked you to define it so I can understand what you mean by it.

    Why are you impotent to do this basic element of standard debate?
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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    mob rule was around before the republicans came into being
    So what? That is irrelevant and has nothing to do with how it is used by modern right wingers as an insulting pejorative.
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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    When did this happen in the USA?
    i am stating what mob rule is, democracy means majority rule....and sooner or later that majority will turn on the minority, and that is from history.

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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So tell me about the vote for electors for President of the United States and why they are not all equal in the power they wield?

    Electoral College favors small states - DailyHerald.com

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    Who gets to be President of the USA is most certainly a national matter - to use your qualifier. Why should a voter in Wyoming have three and a half times the impact of a voter in a different state?
    Perhaps you didn't read my previous posts? Despite your quote of it that is....

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    When it comes to voting in our representitives, I absolutely do believe in one person one vote with equal weight to the votes. When it comes to enacting laws, hell no. Mob rule always leads to someone getting oppressed and stripped of their rights. Current day example would be SSM. There is no valid reason to deny homosexuals marrying each other.
    Your example is of voting in our representatives. That includes the President. As such I fully believe that the Electoral system should be gotten rid of.

    When it comes to laws however, each district should have one vote and no more.
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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So what? That is irrelevant and has nothing to do with how it is used by modern right wingers as an insulting pejorative.
    it is you who want only direct power in the hands of the people...........that is democracy.........and its majority rule.

    majority rule leads to mob rule......history has proven that.

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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You introduced the word. Not me. I asked you to define it so I can understand what you mean by it.

    Why are you impotent to do this basic element of standard debate?
    I've introduced a lot of words. I don't see you asking for the definition of each and every single one of those words. All that you are doing is trying to play the semantical game. Its not going to work. My definition is the same as your and yours is the same as mine. Thats how words and their definitions work. Neither you nor I can change the meaning of those words. Indeed the fact that you are trying to play the semantical game is just evidence that you cannot address my statement with out trying to spin.
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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i am stating what mob rule is, democracy means majority rule....and sooner or later that majority will turn on the minority, and that is from history.
    While you are making predictions - so we can see how powerful your powers of prediction are - can you give me next weeks winning Power Ball numbers?

    then please answer my question about when in US history the majority voted to take away rights from the minority?
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