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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    In otherwords, mob rule.
    Why do some people on the right refer to normal political voting and the process of representative democracy as mob rule?
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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Why do some people on the right refer to normal political voting and the process of representative democracy as mob rule?
    I did because that is exactly what he is wanting. He wants a state which has far more people to have more power than a state with less people instead of the states being on equal footing when being represented. His claim of Wyoming having 70% more power than California ignores the fact that the 70% "increase in power" in actuality just puts Wyoming on direct equal footing with California, preventing California from dictating what happens in Wyoming. Two VERY different states with VERY different cultures and needs and wants.

    How can you have a "representative democracy" when the reps from your state have less power than some other state that just happens to have more people? The word "representative" is about representing what the people in their particular state needs/wants. This cannot be done if you have some other states representative over riding your states representative just because they have more people. That would make it to where California is representing Wyoming also.
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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Should the United Nations have countries vote proportionally by their population, or should each nation receive one vote?

    Of course, we're a united country and not the United Nations, but we still have the principle of state sovereignty. Every state entered the union on the condition that it would have an equal say in one of the legislative bodies. No matter how long it's been, you don't get to do backsies.

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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Having two branches of Congress increasingly brings the government to a gridlock. The Senate was created when the federal government was going to have virtually no power for which each state was a quasi-independent country joining with others primarily for military defense. But that all ended with the Civil War and is ancient history.

    Why should the people and state of Wyoming have 7000% more political power than a Californian and California? Wyoming doesn't contribute 7000% more to the good of the nation. Shouldn't it be one-person-one-vote, rather than 1 vote for a California and 70 votes for a someone who votes in Wyoming? This also leads to massive out-of-state-money being thrown into low population states. The state of Wyoming and many other states have a total population that is only a fraction of just a major American city. I see no justification for that anymore.

    I think the Constitution should be amended to eliminate the Senate. This is not limited to the current Congressional mess at all. Rather, it is a growing problem overall and a serious question of the fairness of democracy/republic form of government.

    Your opinion?
    The Congress is supposed to contain balanced opposition. That's why one chamber has two
    senators per state and the other is based on population. One of the problems seems to be
    the fact that congressional districts are drawn by some guy named Jerry Mander.
    Who ever he is, he seems to be mentioned a lot.

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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The Senate, like the House, can gridlock any law, bill, war and budget. Voters in Wyoming have 70 times the voting strength than voters in California. Smaller population states should not have the same legislative power as more populous states in my opinion, nor should their voters have 70 times the influence over the federal government.
    I'm not saying I like the way the EU is built, but do the calculations for the value of an inhabitant of Malta and compare it with a German in the EU Parliament, the Council or the Commission.

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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I did because that is exactly what he is wanting. He wants a state which has far more people to have more power than a state with less people instead of the states being on equal footing when being represented. His claim of Wyoming having 70% more power than California ignores the fact that the 70% "increase in power" in actuality just puts Wyoming on direct equal footing with California, preventing California from dictating what happens in Wyoming. Two VERY different states with VERY different cultures and needs and wants.

    How can you have a "representative democracy" when the reps from your state have less power than some other state that just happens to have more people? The word "representative" is about representing what the people in their particular state needs/wants. This cannot be done if you have some other states representative over riding your states representative just because they have more people. That would make it to where California is representing Wyoming also.
    So you do NOT believe in the principle of one person one vote? You believe that some votes should be weighted with far more power than other votes are given? You believe that a person should be penalized with a reduction in the impact of their vote simply because of where they happen to live?
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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Having two branches of Congress increasingly brings the government to a gridlock. The Senate was created when the federal government was going to have virtually no power for which each state was a quasi-independent country joining with others primarily for military defense. But that all ended with the Civil War and is ancient history.

    Why should the people and state of Wyoming have 7000% more political power than a Californian and California? Wyoming doesn't contribute 7000% more to the good of the nation. Shouldn't it be one-person-one-vote, rather than 1 vote for a California and 70 votes for a someone who votes in Wyoming? This also leads to massive out-of-state-money being thrown into low population states. The state of Wyoming and many other states have a total population that is only a fraction of just a major American city. I see no justification for that anymore.

    I think the Constitution should be amended to eliminate the Senate. This is not limited to the current Congressional mess at all. Rather, it is a growing problem overall and a serious question of the fairness of democracy/republic form of government.

    Your opinion?
    So you think we should all be ruled by those mindless turds out in California?
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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I say no. This keeps everything in check. There should be as much red tape on the government itself as possible. It should be hard for them to draft laws, not easy. The legislation going back and fourth between the house and senate before it goes to the president's desk is one of those red tapes on the government.
    I do not know, I would call it red tape. More like check&balance.

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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So you do NOT believe in the principle of one person one vote? You believe that some votes should be weighted with far more power than other votes are given? You believe that a person should be penalized with a reduction in the impact of their vote simply because of where they happen to live?
    In terms of the federal government, yes. We are a federation of states. The compromise that created the bicameral Congress is known as the Great Compromise, and it was a condition of smaller states joining the union. There is no expiration date.

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    Re: Amend the Constitution to eliminate the Senate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Current policy reflects that money translates into political power. Lots of people voice their opinions and don't get any traction.
    Thats a conflicting statement. Your saying lobbying doesnt and does work.

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