View Poll Results: What are your top priorities in buying a car/truck/SUV?

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  • The cost of buying the vehicle

    42 65.63%
  • Fuel economy and/or how green the vehicle is

    36 56.25%
  • How much/how many it can carry - big is better

    4 6.25%
  • Luxury/comfort

    15 23.44%
  • Performance - ie powerful and fast

    24 37.50%
  • Country of origin/brand

    10 15.63%
  • Safety of driver and passengers

    21 32.81%
  • How the car looks - cute, sharp, prestige

    23 35.94%
  • Length warranty

    13 20.31%
  • Multi-use capability (4 wheel drive etc). both as car/truck etc

    21 32.81%
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    Re: What is your priority in purchasing a car/truck/vehicle?

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    I think that most cars sold in America are crashworthy. They are tested for it and receive a pass or fail. BTW, Mercedes failed the oblique crash test last year (most of its models, anyway).

    If Mercedes is having financial difficulties, I doubt it's related to costs put into safety. After all, many auto manufacturers have had hard times in recent years. Luxury cars sell to a limited group of people, rather than the middle class mass. So I guess wealthy people are moving to something more popular (BMW? Audi?). Middle class people wouldn't consider the safety of Mercedes because we can't afford that make. But the cars we can afford pass the same safety tests.
    I looked up the tests and they confirm exactly what a said about videos.
    Most luxury cars, including Mercedes, fail new Insurance Institute frontal crash test | Mail Online

    What the tests videos - which are only of non-American non-luxury small cars - shows is that only the Mecedes driver/passenger compartment kept it's integrity. The door glass didn't even break. The doors on the others cars were obliterated. Mercedes disputed the result claiming that it is not a real-life accident senario - hitting a steel wall 18 inches into a car at 40 mph.

    Who drives 40 mph on a country, state or Interstate highway? And hitting a pole, tree or parked car is a different dynamic than a steel and edged wall at 40 mph. What is very clear is that at real speeds of 60 to 70 mph, all drivers would have been crushed by their own car - the cabin crumbling and the front wheel assembly pressed into them - all but the person in the Mercedes.

    The tests standards and set by and conducted by THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY. Their view of accident outcome hopes is different than for people in cars. For the insurance industry, it is about money, not people. In a major accident, the car is totalled no matter what, so they don't care about car-damage costs. They care about personal injury liabilities.

    Here's what people don't understand about the goals of Insurance Industry crash standards. In an accident, the insurance industry wants 1 of 2 outcomes:
    1. There are no or only minor injuries.
    2. The people in the vehicle die.

    What they do NOT want is for the driver/passengers to be seriously injured, but to survive.
    And for obvious reasons:
    1. If the people in the car die, they aren't witnesses.
    2. There is no pain and suffering, therapy, care and ongoing medical expenses for dead people.
    3. A living but injured person invokes more sympathy than a non-present dead person.
    4. If killed, the insurance company is working with heirs to the estate that want money fast, not the injuried person worrying of his future, wants pain and suffering money, wants future medical bills paid and will battle the insurance company in court for it. The only question of a dead person is how much money to give the heirs to just take some money fast and go away.

    Plus heirs are less likely to hire and attorney and more like to just accept some fast money, particularly if they are poor. There may not even be any heirs or anyone that even makes a claim. And it is easier to get heirs to fast endorse a fast settlement check than it is someone in the hospital unsure of future medical and other expenses.


    Thus, that is the quantry to Mercedes. Do they make their cars flimsier and more like to die in - by designing them to meet the low/mid-speed live or die standards of the American Insurance industry, which also reduces their costs to build a car? OR do they continue to make cars with heavy strong steel driver/passenger compartments that preserve the integrity of the driver/passenger compartment including in highway speed and severe impact crashes? It is not just an economic question, but also an question of integrity.

    Porsche, which also makes extremely strong driver/passenger sections (which does add weight and costs) is also struggling with the same question. The top Covette now is down to 3100 pounds, will meet low/mid speed crash standards too, but you will die in it if you have a highway speed accident. Not in a Porsche, but they are topping 3500 pounds some of their models.

    So... if you ARE in an accident, do you REALLY agree with the insurance industry standard that either you should not be serious injured OR you die?
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    Re: What is your priority in purchasing a car/truck/vehicle?

    Curious German car manufacturer facts:

    Mercedes Benz claims to be the oldest still operating car manufacturer in the world and claims to have produced the 1st internal combustion gasoline engine car.
    Mercedes Benz currently makes 950,000 passenger vehicles per year.
    Mercedes Benz is produces more commercial trucks than any other company in the world.

    BWM makes over 1,000,000 passenger cars per year.

    Audi is the fastest growing and possibly most profitable car maker in the world. 4 decades ago, industry experts predicted it's demise.

    Porsche is losing market share in every market as is Volkswagon. (Correction for a prior message, Mecedes does not have the profit margin of Audi - I miswrote VW above)

    German car manufacturers current primary concern is they are losing market share in China, which is predicted to see the largest growth in new car purchases and car ownership.

    German car manufacturers intensely dislike American crash standards as they believe they force making less safe cars, which runs contrary to their companies ethics policies.
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    Re: What is your priority in purchasing a car/truck/vehicle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    As for me

    It depends on what is going on in my life

    Right now I wanted performance and looks, so I chose a Nissan 370Z as my only vehicle
    The public prestige factor of Nissan Zs has fallen significantly. Their twin turbos used to be seen is as killer performance cars. Now they are rarely mentioned. Not sure why.

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    Re: What is your priority in purchasing a car/truck/vehicle?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Curious German car manufacturer facts:

    Mercedes Benz claims to be the oldest still operating car manufacturer in the world and claims to have produced the 1st internal combustion gasoline engine car.
    Mercedes Benz currently makes 950,000 passenger vehicles per year.
    Mercedes Benz is produces more commercial trucks than any other company in the world.

    BWM makes over 1,000,000 passenger cars per year.

    Audi is the fastest growing and possibly most profitable car maker in the world. 4 decades ago, industry experts predicted it's demise.

    Porsche is losing market share in every market as is Volkswagon.

    German car manufacturers current primary concern is they are losing market share in China, which is predicted to see the largest growth in new car purchases and car ownership.
    The two things I consider when purchasing a new vehicle is Brand Loyalty ( Ford Only ) and Reliability. We have always bought Fords and have had fantastic luck with them. Whether it be new or used, we haven't had many issues over the years. I am a big stickler on maintaining my vehicles, especially since it is a decent investment when you are purchasing new. We are both due for a new car as our 2007 F150 and 2007 Edge are both getting close to 100,000 miles. I don't like to keep them past that simply because that is when they start to nickle and dime you.

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    Re: What is your priority in purchasing a car/truck/vehicle?

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    I chose 4 priorities. One of them was luxury/comfort, but that's not quite accurate. Comfort is a priority, but not luxury. So I wouldn't lump those two things together, since they are not even close to the same thing. Luxury to me is leather seating (which I hate), lots of knobs & an airplane dash, wood in dash, super duper speakers and lots of 'em, multi-disk CD player, lots of tech, built-in dvd players for backseaters, etc. By comfort, I mean comfortable seats so can take a road trip, good driving position that is adjustable, lumbar support, headrest that doesn't jut forward too much like some do these days.

    Well, I added a fifth. I forgot about reliability.

    I wouldn't buy a vehicle without all 5 of the things I named: cost, comfort, multi-function utility, reliability, gas mileage.
    Radical tires are safer and better for gas mileage, but are MUCH stiffer and have always made it difficult to make cars ride smoothly and without picking up road noise and road imperfections, particularly in lightweight cars. Basically ALL cars that used to ride on "bias-ply" nylon tires have a smoother ride because they absorbed more road energy due to being soft and cushy.

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    Re: What is your priority in purchasing a car/truck/vehicle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt Racer View Post
    The two things I consider when purchasing a new vehicle is Brand Loyalty ( Ford Only ) and Reliability. We have always bought Fords and have had fantastic luck with them. Whether it be new or used, we haven't had many issues over the years. I am a big stickler on maintaining my vehicles, especially since it is a decent investment when you are purchasing new. We are both due for a new car as our 2007 F150 and 2007 Edge are both getting close to 100,000 miles. I don't like to keep them past that simply because that is when they start to nickle and dime you.
    In my experience, if you weren't so stuck on Ford, and considered other brands, you wouldn't have to sell at 100K and could keep them longer without getting nickle-and-dimed to death.

    I do like Ford trucks, fwiw, but am not too hip on their cars.

    I have certain brands that I prefer, because I have had good experiences with them, but I am not "brand loyal" by any stretch of the imagination. Things change, and I try to adapt with the changes. For example, I have owned two Mazdas and have had excellent experiences with them, but right now I think they have regressed and would not be as willing to consider them.
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    Re: What is your priority in purchasing a car/truck/vehicle?

    Mercedes do make some reliable cars but ive always found them to be ugly for the most part. Couple good looking and alright models through out the years but in general ugly.

    My 2000 explorer sport has 250K on it with no real problems until just recently, But just a busted hose that needs replaced.
    Have a new escape with the 2.0 Ecoboost in for about two years now and the thing is great! very quick care for price/money. All wheel is actually very good in snow and mud/light off road which i was very hesitant about. (not having a selectable low)
    The M5 is awesome of course but some little issues.
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    Re: What is your priority in purchasing a car/truck/vehicle?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    In my experience, if you weren't so stuck on Ford, and considered other brands, you wouldn't have to sell at 100K and could keep them longer without getting nickle-and-dimed to death.

    I do like Ford trucks, fwiw, but am not too hip on their cars.

    I have certain brands that I prefer, because I have had good experiences with them, but I am not "brand loyal" by any stretch of the imagination. Things change, and I try to adapt with the changes. For example, I have owned two Mazdas and have had excellent experiences with them, but right now I think they have regressed and would not be as willing to consider them.
    nickel and dime is a relative term. I just met someone yesterday that has a VW with 200,000 miles on it and replace the water pump. The motor has to be removed to do that so it was $1500 and he had to do without it for 2 weeks. I would never buy a VW now after hearing that story.

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    Re: What is your priority in purchasing a car/truck/vehicle?

    VW has a poor reliability rating per Consumer Reports, as does BMW (German engineering - high performance, low reliability). They're getting better at reliability, but they don't come near Toyota/Lexus/Subaru and Honda. OTOH, I think the Japanese cars are more expensive to work on than American. But the German ones are even more expensive than the Japanese autos, I've heard.

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    Re: What is your priority in purchasing a car/truck/vehicle?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    In my experience, if you weren't so stuck on Ford, and considered other brands, you wouldn't have to sell at 100K and could keep them longer without getting nickle-and-dimed to death.

    I do like Ford trucks, fwiw, but am not too hip on their cars.

    I have certain brands that I prefer, because I have had good experiences with them, but I am not "brand loyal" by any stretch of the imagination. Things change, and I try to adapt with the changes. For example, I have owned two Mazdas and have had excellent experiences with them, but right now I think they have regressed and would not be as willing to consider them.
    I have been a professional mechanic for well over 20 years. I have seen every brand have problems around the 100,000 mark. Some models do better than others and some have no issue well into the 150 to 200,000 mark. I also sell around that time because you still have some resale value. I chose the Ford brand because same as you I like their trucks. I have driven about every brand out and Ford's always seem to fit me. Not knocking what everyone else's choices are at all, just like my Fords. fwiw I too think they need better styling when it comes to cars. There are a couple that are ok but nothing jumping out right now.

    Glad to hear you had some good luck with Mazda's, they were part of the Ford Family for a while. Not sure who owns them now.

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