View Poll Results: What kind of welfare do you support?

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  • tax payer funded assistance for the poor(food stamps/snap, WIC, section 8 and etc.)

    41 58.57%
  • corporate welfare(tax breaks, subsidies/grants and ect.)

    6 8.57%
  • foreign aid(financial aid, military aid and etc.)

    18 25.71%
  • other

    15 21.43%
  • None of the above.

    21 30.00%
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Thread: What kind of welfare do you support?

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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    Obviously the poor need to be supported, but I'm gonna do something surprising and support the corporate welfare. Or at least some of it. Grants. Scientific grants. A lot of breakthroughs in medicine, technology, and science come from government funded research grants. The private sector doesn't step up to the plate and take the risks to fund a lot of this research. They'll step in later when they can refine it and make it profitable, but the fundamental groundwork is almost always done with public money. Without those grants, a lot of science won't get done. With the cuts from the sequester, a lot of science isn't getting done.
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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    But the topic isnt republicans, its us.
    I loyally support the Republican Party so this does apply to me.

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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by laska View Post
    Way too much corruption in the current welfare system. I'd model a new one after the Mormon welfare system. Basically turn it into workfare for able bodied people where they work in self sustained orchards, farms, canneries, clothing factories, distribution of the goods, etc and are not paid in cash or a blank check, but the commodities the welfare system produces.
    So you are going to pay them in commodities, not cash? That would cause massive dependence.


    Ask people to fast one day a month and donate the cost of two meals or any else they want to give to the welfare program.
    Really, you're going to ask people to fast? You realize that is unhealthy, right?

    Have volunteer instructors to donate their time for drug counseling, mental illness issues, and job training/employment.
    If you want people to volunteer their time than why not just do it without government? You realize people volunteer their time everyday, right?

    Create a virtua1l university on steroids where everyone can download in video game type fashion virtual courses on pretty much anything for the price of an i-tune(subsidized for those on welfare) so that people can quickly attain the skills needed for the jobs in the economy(this will allow for the elimination of the expensive student grants).
    I see, so you will provide them everything they need while they go to college on the public dime. That way once they get out of school they will no longer be dependent on you. Is that the idea? This wouldn't really eliminate any of the cost, but simply move it. It's not really a great idea.
    Last edited by Henrin; 10-15-13 at 07:33 PM.

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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    I loyally support the Republican Party so this does apply to me.

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    Then give us YOUR opinion, not your perception of the Republican Partys opinion.

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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    I picked none but I am in favor of some assistance to the poor and needy...
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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So you are going to pay them in commodities, not cash? That would cause massive dependence.




    Really, you're going to ask people to fast? You realize that is unhealthy, right?



    If you want people to volunteer their time than why not just do it without government? You realize people volunteer their time everyday, right?



    I see, so you will provide them everything they need while they go to college on the public dime. That way once they get out of school they will no longer be dependent on you. Is that the idea? This wouldn't really eliminate any of the cost, but simply move it. It's not really a great idea.
    You miss the mark on all your points. The Mormon welfare plan requires healthy people to work in the welfare system to receive benefits and instead of giving them cash where they may buy alcohol, drugs, or blow it gambling they are paid according to their needs in canned food, clothing, etc out of the bishop's warehouse all commodities created within the welfare system. This structure would significantly cut the amount of people receiving benefits ie drastically reduce corruption. The truly needy would only use it. As far as fasting, fasting two meals a month for a healthy person is not unhealthy but you likely just reaching to make an argument I think. If you understood my virtual university concept you would see it wouldn't cost taxpayers anything and it basically makes world class education and job training free or super cheap to the masses. So it does just the opposite of what you suggest, that is why I mention it would allow elimination of student grants because you can get a world class education by sitting in your bedroom in front of TV and xbox remote in your hand and download for like $.99 interactive virtual courses that are better courses than you get at an Ivy League school.
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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    The only thing I might support would be cheap food like powdered milk/eggs and canned fruits and vegetables. Other than that, we can take care of each other as we did before big government.

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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    I think we all need to rid ourselves of calling it "handouts" because it negates the moral action behind what we do upon reflecting the millions of impoverished people we want to help. Imagine someone in your family told you constantly "hey I gave you a hand out," as opposed to saying "my intent is trying to help you rise above your economical problems." There are those who take advantage of the system and those that utilize it, but most people are focused on the people who take advantage as opposed to the ones that don't. Folks here are acting like your money individually, is funding social programs. Your money alone couldn't fund a YMCA, let alone the entire welfare program. We often times put too much importance on what we contribute with our paychecks.
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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by laska View Post
    If you understood my virtual university concept you would see it wouldn't cost taxpayers anything and it basically makes world class education and job training free or super cheap to the masses. So it does just the opposite of what you suggest, that is why I mention it would allow elimination of student grants because you can get a world class education by sitting in your bedroom in front of TV and xbox remote in your hand and download for like $.99 interactive virtual courses that are better courses than you get at an Ivy League school.
    You need to show some stats on this. It still has to be paid for somehow. Web hosting isn't free.

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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    The only thing I might support would be cheap food like powdered milk/eggs and canned fruits and vegetables. Other than that, we can take care of each other as we did before big government.
    good idea, then what do you do about those that are allergic to milk and eggs?
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