View Poll Results: What kind of welfare do you support?

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  • tax payer funded assistance for the poor(food stamps/snap, WIC, section 8 and etc.)

    41 58.57%
  • corporate welfare(tax breaks, subsidies/grants and ect.)

    6 8.57%
  • foreign aid(financial aid, military aid and etc.)

    18 25.71%
  • other

    15 21.43%
  • None of the above.

    21 30.00%
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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    True because we dont want women to die even if they cant afford it. But federal money does not go to abortion just because a woman wants an abortion.
    That is not what you said. You said:

    "There is no such thing as that. No federal money goes to abortions."

    That is wrong since abortions are funded by federal money if it is needed to save the life of the mother.
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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    That is not what you said. You said:

    "There is no such thing as that. No federal money goes to abortions."

    That is wrong since abortions are funded by the federal money if it is needed to save the life of the mother.
    Ok i guess you got me on cases that account for very very very few abortion cases that account for impovershed women.


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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    My point is that Republicans aren't anarchist not even tea party republicans. I apologize for not making that clear. Republicans aren't anarchist not even the tea party republicans. Just in case I wasn't clear the first two times: Republicans aren't anarchist not even tea party republicans.


    Below is a list of things that Republicans actually did instead of what they say in front of a camera. This is what they really did show their support for:

    The republicans in congress almost unanimously support Head Start for Low-Income Children.
    The republicans in congress unanimously support funding for America's Veteran's.
    The republicans in congress almost unanimously support Opening our National Parks and Museums.
    The republicans in congress almost unanimously support funding research for life saving cures.
    The republicans in congress unanimously support paying our guard and reservist.
    The republicans in congress unanimously support funding for national emergency and disaster recovery.
    The republicans in congress unanimously support nutrition assistance for low-income women and children. (This is also known as food stamps and WIC.)
    The republicans in congress almost unanimously support funding for the food & drug safety.
    The republicans and democrats in congress and the senate unanimously support funding for families of fallen soldiers.

    Again. My point is that Republicans are not anarchist not even tea party republicans.

    vasuderatorrent
    Seriously? You took two posts to address my one? There is this little edit option that you can use if you forget something, assuming that you remember before someone else posts. The oddity of your response(s) aside, again you provide no real context to these things. Are they really good things, or are they just good sounding things, much in the way that the concept of Obamacare, or welfare sound good. Are they supporting programs that claim to be helping "the less fortunate", when instead they actually waste more money than goes to help? Are they items that the government should be funding like medical research, or should that actually be left purely in the private sector? Are the referenced bills, referendums, amendments and what not going through pure, or are they riders and attachment, and earmarks that really have nothing to do with the purported purpose attached?

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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    The kind that people pay into, like unemployment and social security. Foreign aid and corporate bailouts are a joke that needs to get shut down.
    Its that reason I do not consider unemployment and social security to be welfare. They are forced retirement savings,especially the social security. Which is why I do not think labeling social security an entitlement is a bad thing,you pay for it against your will so you are entitled to it.
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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Its that reason I do not consider unemployment and social security to be welfare. They are forced retirement savings,especially the social security. Which is why I do not think labeling social security an entitlement is a bad thing,you pay for it against your will so you are entitled to it.
    I would also include welfare for orphans with nowhere to go, the legitimately disabled, and the mentally unsound. People who are incapable of supporting themselves by no fault of their own.
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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Are they really good things, or are they just good sounding things, much in the way that the concept of Obamacare, or welfare sound good. Are they supporting programs that claim to be helping "the less fortunate", when instead they actually waste more money than goes to help? Are they items that the government should be funding like medical research, or should that actually be left purely in the private sector? Are the referenced bills, referendums, amendments and what not going through pure, or are they riders and attachment, and earmarks that really have nothing to do with the purported purpose attached?
    I don't know. The Republicans support these bills. The Tea Party within the Republican Party support these bills. Senate will not vote on these bills.

    I was simply pointing out that the Republican Party and the Tea Party do support things that some consider to be liberal policies. Sometimes the Republicans and the Tea Party get accused of being radicals. My response is: That's only in their speech not their actions.

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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    I don't know. The Republicans support these bills. The Tea Party within the Republican Party support these bills. Senate will not vote on these bills.

    I was simply pointing out that the Republican Party and the Tea Party do support things that some consider to be liberal policies. Sometimes the Republicans and the Tea Party get accused of being radicals. My response is: That's only in their speech not their actions.

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    Whats the got to do with the OP?

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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Whats the got to do with the OP?
    He's trying to say that one can't broad brush a Republican/conservative as being against all "welfare" type of programs. I'd think he'd have been better off making that point and then throwing up his claims.

    However, that still doesn't prove anything, and for almost the exact same reason he gave. What a bill/resolution/whatever says in the title, doesn't automatically reflect what is in the contents. After all look at the "Affordable" Care Act.

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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    He's trying to say that one can't broad brush a Republican/conservative as being against all "welfare" type of programs. I'd think he'd have been better off making that point and then throwing up his claims.

    However, that still doesn't prove anything, and for almost the exact same reason he gave. What a bill/resolution/whatever says in the title, doesn't automatically reflect what is in the contents. After all look at the "Affordable" Care Act.
    But the topic isnt republicans, its us.

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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    Way too much corruption in the current welfare system. I'd model a new one after the Mormon welfare system. Basically turn it into workfare for able bodied people where they work in self sustained orchards, farms, canneries, clothing factories, distribution of the goods, etc and are not paid in cash or a blank check, but the commodities the welfare system produces. Ask people to fast one day a month and donate the cost of two meals or any else they want to give to the welfare program. Maybe only 10% of people will do it but it would help in funding. Have volunteer instructors to donate their time for drug counseling, mental illness issues, and job training/employment. Create a virtual university on steroids where everyone can download in video game type fashion virtual courses on pretty much anything for the price of an i-tune(subsidized for those on welfare) so that people can quickly attain the skills needed for the jobs in the economy(this will allow for the elimination of the expensive student grants). Prison system should be integrated into this welfare system also. Instead of taxpayers paying civilians to do such things as road work prisoner road crews and natural disasters clean up crews should be set up. Not chain gang style but in a dignified way where both tax payers benefit and it helps rehabilitate prisoners.
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