View Poll Results: What kind of welfare do you support?

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  • tax payer funded assistance for the poor(food stamps/snap, WIC, section 8 and etc.)

    41 58.57%
  • corporate welfare(tax breaks, subsidies/grants and ect.)

    6 8.57%
  • foreign aid(financial aid, military aid and etc.)

    18 25.71%
  • other

    15 21.43%
  • None of the above.

    21 30.00%
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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    What kind of welfare do you support?
    Here is a better question: What kind of welfare does the Republican Party support?

    H.J.Res.72 Honoring Our Promise to America's Veteran's Bill (0 republicans against)

    H.J.Res.70 Open Our National Parks and Museums Bill (1 republican against)

    H.J.Res.73 Research For Life Saving Cures Bill (1 republican against)

    H.R.3230 Pay Our Guard and Reserve Act (0 Republican against)

    H.J.Res.85 National Emergency and Disaster Recovery Bill (0 Republicans against)

    H.J.Res 75 Nutrition Assistance for Low-Income Women and Children Bill (0 republicans against)

    H.R.3223 Federal Employee Retroactive Pay Fairness Act (0 Republicans against)

    H.J.Res.77 Food & Drug Safety Bill (1 Republican against)

    H.J.Res.84 Head Start For Low-Income Children Bill (2 Republicans against)

    H.J.Res.89 Federal Worker Pay Fairness Bill (0 Republicans against)

    H.J. Res.91 Honoring the Families of Fallen Soldiers Bill (0 Republicans against)

    Actions speak louder than words.

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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Why is a minimal safety net necessary?
    I'm not totally heartless.

    If we are going to provide subsidies for products that create positive externalities than why not tax products that cause negative externalities? Does the former not go hand in hand with the later?
    No, because Pigouvian taxes are still restrictive to many levels. You may not ban cigarettes, but if you tax them to the point that they're 15 bucks a pack, you've essentially outlawed them. Subsidizing should be to encourage certain good actions, but nothing should be used to forbid bad ones.

    Why do we need to provide foreign aid to other countries? What benefit do we get out of it? Do I get any services in return for it?
    Middle East stability and cheap oil.

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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    I think that Social welfare should definitely be a work/trade/school system. There should be some sort of system in place to both limit it and balance it to encourage people on it that getting a job is better than living off the welfare for long periods of time. It should definitely include ensuring people are earning their assistance, through working, going to school, proving that they are trying to do more to improve their own situation.

    I think that some corporate benefits should be given, particularly for actually ensuring that jobs are kept in the actual US and employees are treated fairly, especially in relation to those at the top of the corporation. (No huge bonuses while their employees don't even have healthcare and/or paid a living wage.) Doing things to improve the community and environment, even at some cost to them would be good reason to give them tax breaks too.

    I think some foreign aid is necessary. It will benefit us in the long run, such as ensuring shipping lanes stay open and helping with natural disasters or people trying to do another country's people harm when they can't help themselves. But these things should be done carefully, with a lot of thought to the consequences of us helping.
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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    What kind of welfare do you support?
    The kind that people pay into, like unemployment and social security. Foreign aid and corporate bailouts are a joke that needs to get shut down.
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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    I support welfare for the old and the sick. The young and the healthy need to get their asses up off the couch and get a job.
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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I'm not totally heartless.
    So for no good reason then.

    No, because Pigouvian taxes are still restrictive to many levels. You may not ban cigarettes, but if you tax them to the point that they're 15 bucks a pack, you've essentially outlawed them. Subsidizing should be to encourage certain good actions, but nothing should be used to forbid bad ones.
    If providing subsidies to positive externalities is for the benefit of the economy and the people then one could argue in turn that taxing negative externalities is a benefit for the economy and the people as it will cause that externality to decrease and thus lower it's negative impact.

    Middle East stability and cheap oil.
    Neither of which has worked out all that well. People have to be willing to be peaceful, just like they have to be ready for a certain kind of governance over another. Besides, foreign aid keeps the Middle East unstable.
    Last edited by Henrin; 10-14-13 at 09:04 PM.

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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Here is a better question: What kind of welfare does the Republican Party support?

    H.J.Res.72 Honoring Our Promise to America's Veteran's Bill (0 republicans against)

    H.J.Res.70 Open Our National Parks and Museums Bill (1 republican against)

    H.J.Res.73 Research For Life Saving Cures Bill (1 republican against)

    H.R.3230 Pay Our Guard and Reserve Act (0 Republican against)

    H.J.Res.85 National Emergency and Disaster Recovery Bill (0 Republicans against)

    H.J.Res 75 Nutrition Assistance for Low-Income Women and Children Bill (0 republicans against)

    H.R.3223 Federal Employee Retroactive Pay Fairness Act (0 Republicans against)

    H.J.Res.77 Food & Drug Safety Bill (1 Republican against)

    H.J.Res.84 Head Start For Low-Income Children Bill (2 Republicans against)

    H.J.Res.89 Federal Worker Pay Fairness Bill (0 Republicans against)

    H.J. Res.91 Honoring the Families of Fallen Soldiers Bill (0 Republicans against)

    Actions speak louder than words.

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    I fail to understand the point of this post. You provide no context to these bills with regards to the thread topic. Nor do you provide any reference to your numbers. As far as I know all this is made up. For that matter I can't tell if you are attempting to put a positive or negative spin on Republicans.

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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    I fail to understand the point of this post.
    My point is that Republicans aren't anarchist not even tea party republicans. I apologize for not making that clear. Republicans aren't anarchist not even the tea party republicans. Just in case I wasn't clear the first two times: Republicans aren't anarchist not even tea party republicans.


    Below is a list of things that Republicans actually did instead of what they say in front of a camera. This is what they really did show their support for:

    The republicans in congress almost unanimously support Head Start for Low-Income Children.
    The republicans in congress unanimously support funding for America's Veteran's.
    The republicans in congress almost unanimously support Opening our National Parks and Museums.
    The republicans in congress almost unanimously support funding research for life saving cures.
    The republicans in congress unanimously support paying our guard and reservist.
    The republicans in congress unanimously support funding for national emergency and disaster recovery.
    The republicans in congress unanimously support nutrition assistance for low-income women and children. (This is also known as food stamps and WIC.)
    The republicans in congress almost unanimously support funding for the food & drug safety.
    The republicans and democrats in congress and the senate unanimously support funding for families of fallen soldiers.

    Again. My point is that Republicans are not anarchist not even tea party republicans.

    vasuderatorrent

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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    You provide no context to these bills with regards to the thread topic. Nor do you provide any reference to your numbers.
    If the post gets too long nobody will read it. How long do you want it to be?

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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    My point is that Republicans aren't anarchist not even tea party republicans. I apologize for not making that clear. Republicans aren't anarchist not even the tea party republicans. Just in case I wasn't clear the first two times: Republicans aren't anarchist not even tea party republicans.


    Below is a list of things that Republicans actually did instead of what they say in front of a camera. This is what they really did show their support for:

    The republicans in congress almost unanimously support Head Start for Low-Income Children.
    The republicans in congress unanimously support funding for America's Veteran's.
    The republicans in congress almost unanimously support Opening our National Parks and Museums.
    The republicans in congress almost unanimously support funding research for life saving cures.
    The republicans in congress unanimously support paying our guard and reservist.
    The republicans in congress unanimously support funding for national emergency and disaster recovery.
    The republicans in congress unanimously support nutrition assistance for low-income women and children. (This is also known as food stamps and WIC.)
    The republicans in congress almost unanimously support funding for the food & drug safety.
    The republicans and democrats in congress and the senate unanimously support funding for families of fallen soldiers.

    Again. My point is that Republicans are not anarchist not even tea party republicans.

    vasuderatorrent
    I can support none of those things and still not be an anarchist.

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