View Poll Results: What kind of welfare do you support?

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  • tax payer funded assistance for the poor(food stamps/snap, WIC, section 8 and etc.)

    41 58.57%
  • corporate welfare(tax breaks, subsidies/grants and ect.)

    6 8.57%
  • foreign aid(financial aid, military aid and etc.)

    18 25.71%
  • other

    15 21.43%
  • None of the above.

    21 30.00%
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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I'm okay with it but lets all be honest about it and not bash poor single moms who would otherwise be homeless as "gaming of the system."

    I wasn't talking about them, it's the system. My husband does drywall work for the city and it's mostly section 8 housing. They get these nice houses and completely destroy them and there is no consequence for it, they just order all new appliances and redo the house once they move out. Complete waste of money and they should be held to some degree to take care of the housing they are getting.

    And btw the people I know on section 8 are not all poor single moms. A couple of them are going to school and do need help, but most have a working boyfriend that doesn't live with them and don't work because they get everything paid for them.
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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    I wasn't talking about them, it's the system. My husband does drywall work for the city and it's mostly section 8 housing. They get these nice houses and completely destroy them and there is no consequence for it, they just order all new appliances and redo the house once they move out. Complete waste of money and they should be held to some degree to take care of the housing they are getting.

    And btw the people I know on section 8 are not all poor single moms. A couple of them are going to school and do need help, but most have a working boyfriend that doesn't live with them and don't work because they get everything paid for them.
    Wow. I tend to think people generally don't value things they didn't invest in. This is one of the reasons I like Habitat for humanity. The residents have to attend and pass classes on household budgeting (I think) and personally put in sweat equity helping to build their home or somebody else's. Not only do they care more about it because they put in a lot of time clearing land, nailing up studs, hanging doors, laying tile and carpet, painting walls and laying sod; but if or rather when something needs repair they are more likely qualified to fix it because they had some good training when the house was being built. Then they have a no interest mortgage for ten years to pay, albeit low since since there's no interest, much of the building materials and sometimes land was donated and much of the labor costs were eliminated by volunteers and Habitat homeowners. And guess what happens if on very rare occasions they refuse to pay their mortgage? They get foreclosed on and the home is fixed up and given to a different Habitat recipient.

    I have a friend who got a Habitat home. A nice three bedroom, two bath with a yard in a low crime area. He wasn't penalized for being married to the mother of his little girl. The only other stipulation is he could never sell it on the open market, only back to Habitat, since many of the materials donated where from the commercial real estate industry and it wouldn't be fair to compete with them. He could have rented out however. He ended up selling it when he got a super 6 figure job offer in marketing for a top professional sports team out of state that I'll keep nameless.
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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Business just passes it down in sales. So might as well get rid of the biz tax and collect it all from individuals.
    I'd support a rate lower than anything in Europe. To make up the difference, we could tax investment income as income above a certain cap.

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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    I'd support a rate lower than anything in Europe. To make up the difference, we could tax investment income as income above a certain cap.
    There's no difference to make up. If you eliminate corporate tax, prices will go down, income will go up, and income tax will go up.

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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    There's no difference to make up. If you eliminate corporate tax, prices will go down, income will go up, and income tax will go up.
    yeah, i used to be a libertarian; i remember that one.

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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    If you are upright and 98.6, two arms two legs two eyes and a fair IQ, Zero assistance.
    Get fired, laid off, company closes. You get 6 weeks un employment. Period.
    Too many kids, well YOU made them. Not me.
    I know too many people right now sitting at home on their asses collecting a check for aches and sprains that 99% of us just shake off and deal with.
    I have had two knee ops. Still work. Arthrites in both hands, still work. Sleep issues, still work. Nerve damage in one foot, still work.
    Billions are being bled out for BS ailments. Draining our country dry.

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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I picked only welfare for the poor, and it should be limited and under strict quid-pro-quo conditions. It should be a net, not a hammock.
    I agree with this one. And I also included foreign where the need is great, and we can help.

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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    Poll is a little broad. Lumping every tax break, grant, and subsidy into one category makes it hard for me to answer. I don't think we need to give billions of dollars to oil companies but that doesn't mean I'm categorically against subsidies. I think we grossly overspend when it comes to government contracts of any nature, but that doesn't mean I think we should eliminate those contracts entirely.

    Foreign aid in the form of food is a tad different from foreign aid in the form of bombs.

    I support assistance for the poor, but I think we can do it better than we do now.
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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    yeah, i used to be a libertarian; i remember that one.
    It's good to be reminded that people do grow out of that phase sometimes. Highfive buddy.
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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    In a general sense, I have no issue with any of them.

    The issue, as it is with so many ideas, is that they get stretched FAR too much and to FAR too great of a degree.

    The problem is that in a world of grey, people tend to try to pull things as far into the black as possible which causes the reaction to be to pull it back into the white as much as possible. If it'd just stay in the grey there'd be no issue, but that never happens.

    That's what makes these things such a delicate issue. None of those things are inherently bad, but ALL of them can become out of control and troubling.

    One must look at the Goal, the Cost, the Benefit, and the Government Responsibility in my mind.

    Is it something the government is tasked to do? If yes...

    What is the Cost?

    What is the Benefit?

    What is the Goal? And does this best accomplish it?

    Whether or not it's "Good" or "Noble" or "Decent" to do is irrelevant to me. You'll run around FOREVER and spend every dollar we have trying to do "good". That's not the governments purpose. The hope is that what the government does IS good, but "Doing Good" can not be the overriding factor.

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