View Poll Results: What kind of welfare do you support?

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  • tax payer funded assistance for the poor(food stamps/snap, WIC, section 8 and etc.)

    41 58.57%
  • corporate welfare(tax breaks, subsidies/grants and ect.)

    6 8.57%
  • foreign aid(financial aid, military aid and etc.)

    18 25.71%
  • other

    15 21.43%
  • None of the above.

    21 30.00%
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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    While I totally agree that our gov't should provide welfare for the poor, I believe it should be much more restrictive than it is. I heard, from Judge Judy no less, a great idea for it. She stated that parents who receive welfare should be required to ensure their child is attending school everyday. Not passing or anything like that. Just attending. School systems would simply be required to keep a database of attendance. The military already has the system in place with our "Morning Report" system. Any service's version would do. Of course, I'm sure some politician would find a way to benefit a key supporter and create a multimillion dollar system of reporting for this. Some would say that is big gov't intrusion. So be it. At least we would be assure that parents aren't ignoring their children and having more and more of them for the check.
    The fact that EBT cards, depending upon the state, can be used to indirectly purchase beer/tobacco, draw out "ATM" fees, etc is ridiculous. EBT cards should be restricted for use at grocery stores to purchase approved groceries. Many will say that doing that makes it inconvenient for the user. Yes, it does. While I don't believe people should be punished for being poor, I also believe that the people who pay the taxes being used to fund welfare have a stake in the "game" too. We should be assured that the money we pay towards welfare is in fact being used for it's intended purpose.
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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    What kind of welfare do you support?

    tax payer funded assistance for the poor(food stamps/snap, WIC, section 8 and etc for the poor.)
    corporate welfare(tax breaks, subsidies/grants and etc to companies)
    foreign aid(financial aid, military aid and etc to foreign countries.)
    other
    None of the above.



    I support tax payer funded assistance for the poor with some restrictions. I do not support corporate welfare and foreign aid.
    I dont support any form of federal welfare, as its unconsitutional and inefficient. I might support some tax funded local assistance for my community under the right circumstances.

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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    I support the social safety nets. Everything else, not so much. As for corporate welfare, we should just cut the corporate rate significantly and collect it from every business.

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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    Any civilized society will always assist its poorest members. Ideally, it should be done through private and communal channels (charities and churches, etc), but as long as involuntary taxes are being extracted anyway, this ought to be the primary expenditure target. Of course, it has to be designed in a way that avoids perverse incentives and waste, and of course that's not how it is designed now.

    The "corporate welfare", on the other hand, is inexcusable. It distorts the markets and breeds corruption. Government interference in economic decision-making must be kept to the absolute possible minimum.

    With foreign aid, "it depends". Helping victims of an earthquake, or delivering food to some people starving because of a drought? Absolutely.
    Subsidizing a lesser-evil (?) government in some distant land, in a situation we do not begin to understand? No. (Although, to be honest, our foreign aid is such a small part of the budget, it should not even be on the list).

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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    What kind of welfare do you support?

    tax payer funded assistance for the poor(food stamps/snap, WIC, section 8 and etc.)
    corporate welfare(tax breaks, subsidies/grants and ect.)
    foreign aid(financial aid, military aid and etc.)
    other
    None of the above.
    Domestically, I'm generally against welfare that is designed to be permanent except when the reasons are permanent conditions such as disabilities. Concurrent with the assistance should be education, job training and entrepreneur training. These educational options should be made available via online/homeschooling for moms of children under age 6. I support equivalent per captita funding for privately operated non-profit organizations through the faith and community based initiative that offer help to the needy giving recipients a choice. For example, give people living in the projects to choice to have a Habitat for Humanity home with government grants offered to Habitat for every family they help that doesn't choose to stay in the projects. Allow community food banks and organic farming co-ops to compete with the food stamp program with equivalent per capita funding. All welfare recipients relinquish certain rights until they're no longer on welfare including no alcohol, no sugar and sugary food, no fatty food or cooking oil and no cable TV at tax-payer expense. Bonuses at Christmas for being married, nobody in the home getting in trouble with the law and kids making good grades in school all, of which costs the tax-payers less over the long term.

    Corporate; I'm okay with low interest loans. The Bush and Obama auto loans to GM and Chrysler should not be labeled Marxist (while conveniently leaving Bush's name out for dishonest partisan political reasons) while we give loans every day of the week to new business start-ups under the Small Business Administration. I'm okay with grants if national security is a factor or to aid a corporation in scientific research in something related to national security.

    Foreign aid; I'm okay with it. My only problem is our support for the continuance of the petroleum monopoly. Its a dangerous state of affairs when we continue to put all of our transportation energy eggs in the petroleum basket. I consider military deployment just as much a foreign aid expense as direct cash payments. We'd be in a much better place IMHO, if for every electric car recharging station an American business installs, the government gives them a grant to put up another one spending maybe just 10% of what we've paid to defend Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Kuwait over the years so that dictators can continue to control our economy.

    I think non-profits doing work in foreign countries should be included in the foreign aid budget and treated as private ambassadors of the United States with maybe some State Department training. Mercy Ships for example, is doing a great job and probably a better than at helping people that giving cash to a corrupt third world government is able to do.

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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    Our states EBT system was down this week and on the news this morning they interviewed a woman who was extremely put out by it. She was in her twenties and very overweight, which made me wonder why she needed help with food in the first place. Now I am all for children getting fed but what's the point if the mother is eating it all?

    Someone here ( and I can't remember who - sorry!) mentioned in another thread, the idea of making food stamps like WIC, where you get a check and can get specific foods and amounts which will assist you and keep you properly fed. Food stamps should be just that - an assistance not just a blank check to buy all kinds of crap.

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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    It depends on what you mean. What's it for? Who/what is it given to? In conjunction with what else? Under what circumstance?

    I can think of approaches to welfare I would support for any of these. I can think of approaches to welfare I wouldn't support for any of these.
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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    "Try to imagine a regulation of labor imposed by force that is not a violation of liberty; a transfer of wealth imposed by force that is not a violation of property. If you cannot reconcile these contradictions, then you must conclude that the law cannot organize labor and industry without organizing injustice." - Frédéric Bastiat

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    If you were to limit it to only certain avenues to relieve certain hardships, or support for certain business ventures you would still fail to support the rights of people with such views and or actions.

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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Our states EBT system was down this week and on the news this morning they interviewed a woman who was extremely put out by it. She was in her twenties and very overweight, which made me wonder why she needed help with food in the first place. Now I am all for children getting fed but what's the point if the mother is eating it all?

    Someone here ( and I can't remember who - sorry!) mentioned in another thread, the idea of making food stamps like WIC, where you get a check and can get specific foods and amounts which will assist you and keep you properly fed. Food stamps should be just that - an assistance not just a blank check to buy all kinds of crap.

    Section 8 is a freaking joke. I don't even want to get started on that.
    Section 8, BTW is a form of corporate welfare. Yes, the poor get a cheaper place to live but its the landlord who gets the government check. I'm okay with it but lets all be honest about it and not bash poor single moms who would otherwise be homeless as "gaming of the system."
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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    I support the social safety nets. Everything else, not so much. As for corporate welfare, we should just cut the corporate rate significantly and collect it from every business.
    Business just passes it down in sales. So might as well get rid of the biz tax and collect it all from individuals.

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