View Poll Results: What kind of welfare do you support?

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  • tax payer funded assistance for the poor(food stamps/snap, WIC, section 8 and etc.)

    41 58.57%
  • corporate welfare(tax breaks, subsidies/grants and ect.)

    6 8.57%
  • foreign aid(financial aid, military aid and etc.)

    18 25.71%
  • other

    15 21.43%
  • None of the above.

    21 30.00%
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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    And should you choose not to do either, is anyone else obligated to provide for your perceived needs?
    No. But my point is we have a choice to not work. The result is poverty and homeless. That is what I call absolute freedom of social obligation. The only obligation a homeless person has are biological needs.
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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hypersonic View Post
    I would like to think as a whole, we are obligated to one another to have a functioning society. The function of society depends on each member doing their part to keep the machine called America, functioning. You cannot have a functioning society if a portion of the population isn't being productive or is less productive. We ought to have a system to where we can alleviate the issues effecting people whether its financial or social.
    Good lord... So if I choose not to be productive, I should expect someone else to do what I'm not willing to do myself? A society cannot survive under that rationale...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    I am for gay marriage because it ticks off Jesus freaks and social conservatives. Gays are also good voters because the vote for my side so I fight next to them.

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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    SNAP is what food stamps are now referred to, and you would have qualified for that program before EBT, which is the new name for welfare cash payments...
    Interesting well I probably didn't qualify. My EBT consisted of $200 dollars to last me for two months. No GR since I owned a car and the office thought my car could sold for cash to help me out. I shared this story before.
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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hypersonic View Post
    No. But my point is we have a choice to not work. The result is poverty and homeless. That is what I call absolute freedom of social obligation. The only obligation a homeless person has are biological needs.
    If one chooses not to work, there is NO obligation of society...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    I am for gay marriage because it ticks off Jesus freaks and social conservatives. Gays are also good voters because the vote for my side so I fight next to them.

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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Good lord... So if I choose not to be productive, I should expect someone else to do what I'm not willing to do myself? A society cannot survive under that rationale...
    No. We should definitely employ a system where we inform people who need temporary assistance that the office will assist the person with any social, and financial needs but only temporary until the person can find an adequate job to support themselves. If it's a single parent mom or dad find an adequate job and daycare depending on the age or some living arrangements where the parent can have a suitable roof over their head while the parent works. The issue is to treat the system like a drug and wean the patient off slowly. Nobody especially with a large family of kids gets a job and then their problems on being on welfare are over.
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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    If one chooses not to work, there is NO obligation of society...
    Of course that is an individual decision. What I'm saying is in relation to those that need help. If they don't need help and they choose to then yes you cannot force help upon someone that doesn't want it. I'm mainly focusing on those that need help or in actuality want help.
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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hypersonic View Post
    No. We should definitely employ a system where we inform people who need temporary assistance that the office will assist the person with any social, and financial needs but only temporary until the person can find an adequate job to support themselves. If it's a single parent mom or dad find an adequate job and daycare depending on the age or some living arrangements where the parent can have a suitable roof over their head while the parent works. The issue is to treat the system like a drug and wean the patient off slowly. Nobody especially with a large family of kids gets a job and then their problems on being on welfare are over.
    Maybe I'm a bit old fashioned, but I chose not to have children until I was somewhat assured that I would be able to take care of them, and if there were unforeseen circumstances that might have arisen, I would turn to family before government. I find it interesting that "family" income is taken into account when providing educational aid but is totally ignored in "adult" assistance programs...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hypersonic View Post
    I would like to think as a whole, we are obligated to one another to have a functioning society.
    Yeah, that argument has been around for a long time..

    "But we assure the socialists that we repudiate only forced organization, not natural organization. We repudiate the forms of association that are forced upon us, not free association. We repudiate forced fraternity, not true fraternity. We repudiate the artificial unity that does nothing more than deprive persons of individual responsibility." - Frederic Bastiat

    Personally, I have no tolerance for people telling me I have an obligation towards them.

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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hypersonic View Post
    Of course that is an individual decision. What I'm saying is in relation to those that need help. If they don't need help and they choose to then yes you cannot force help upon someone that doesn't want it. I'm mainly focusing on those that need help or in actuality want help.
    If you can not force someone to accept help then it would follow that you can not force someone to help them.

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    Re: What kind of welfare do you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Maybe I'm a bit old fashioned, but I chose not to have children until I was somewhat assured that I would be able to take care of them, and if there were unforeseen circumstances that might have arisen, I would turn to family before government. I find it interesting that "family" income is taken into account when providing educational aid but is totally ignored in "adult" assistance programs...
    Yup. Just like when you fill out the Fafsa...It definitely takes into account how much your family makes.
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