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  • All cameras should be abolished

    50 49.50%
  • Abolish red light cameras only

    5 4.95%
  • Abolish speeding cameras only

    7 6.93%
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    0 0%
  • Allow all cameras to remain in use

    28 27.72%
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    You need to educate yourself, seriously.
    I work in heavy industry and feel that I am relatively well educated regarding the potential for overexposure to lead.

    The thing about lead poisoning is that the increasingly strict regulations regarding the use of lead as a pigment for paint or as an additive for gasoline during the 1980's and 1990's have greatly reduced the potential for dangerous over exposure in the United States. In fact, if you were to look at a study of lead overexposure in children from 1997 - 2011, you'd find that the percentage of children overexposed to levels higher than 10 g/dL is less than 1% in all but one state. Blood Lead Levels of 10 g/dL represent the very lowest level of overexposure considered harmful in humans.

    The odds of me getting lead poising, especially where I use the proper protective equipment are so statistically slim that I'm more likely to die while driving on my way to work in the morning.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Starbuck View Post
    I work in heavy industry and feel that I am relatively well educated regarding the potential for overexposure to lead.

    The thing about lead poisoning is that the increasingly strict regulations regarding the use of lead as a pigment for paint or as an additive for gasoline during the 1980's and 1990's have greatly reduced the potential for dangerous over exposure in the United States. In fact, if you were to look at a study of lead overexposure in children from 1997 - 2011, you'd find that the percentage of children overexposed to levels higher than 10 g/dL is less than 1% in all but one state. Blood Lead Levels of 10 g/dL represent the very lowest level of overexposure considered harmful in humans.

    The odds of me getting lead poising, especially where I use the proper protective equipment are so statistically slim that I'm more likely to die while driving on my way to work in the morning.
    So then you are in agreement that lead requires precautions and proper protective equipment. You also confirmed that government regulations have indeed help lower the exposure to lead in the population.

    In case you missed it I do not support the banning of lead bullets. I only pointed out that there are alternatives to lead bullets. And that lead is a dangerous heavy metal that shouldnt be presented as being nothing to worry about. Which you agree or you wouldnt need to use proper protective equipment when dealing with lead.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    The government agency whose job it is to keep up with how many laws there are can no longer give an accurate count, just an estimate... in the tens of thousands.


    A Yale prof says everyone is a felon, because there are so many felonies and so many are no longer "common sense" items that probably everyone has committed one at some point without knowing it.



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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    So then you are in agreement that lead requires precautions and proper protective equipment. You also confirmed that government regulations have indeed help lower the exposure to lead in the population.
    This is all very true, although I feel that the perception of lead poisoning is disproportionate to the actual danger of lead poisoning.

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    In case you missed it I do not support the banning of lead bullets.
    I must've missed that and this being a relatively short thread, I should probably go back and reread through it. For the life of me I can hardly remember how we got onto the subject of lead bullets anyway.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Cameras in a public space are fine but I worry that we may one day cross the line. In the UK they have placed cameras in the homes of some people that are on parole. That has crossed the line imo.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    Cameras in a public space are fine but I worry that we may one day cross the line. In the UK they have placed cameras in the homes of some people that are on parole. That has crossed the line imo.
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If you give someone an inch then they will take a mile. I would rather not give them that inch and say its none of the governments ****ing business what I am doing
    But they have to watch you in case what you are doing BECOMES their business, and they need to figure out what precisely led up to that.

    After all, it's not a matter of IF what you're doing becomes their business, but WHEN.
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    If LE were required to match the offense with the actual driver of the vehicle... you know, due process and all that other inconvenient stuff that we supposedly hold so dear to our hearts... I'd be fine with them. Responsibility should be a two-way street... on the part of the driver AND on the part of those making the charge/accusation.

    Some jurisdictions do match the driver. Most do not. Most have opted for the easy money over the points on a driver's record (which is the real lesson).
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Most traffic enforcement cameras are operated by private companies who get a percentage of the fines paid. These companies are big political donors to politicians, especially Democrats.

    The standard rule of thumb ( did I just used a politically incorrect phrase, "rule of thumb" that the Obama administration has labeled to be a sexist term ? I guess I did.)
    But I digress.
    The rule of thumb is when a traffic signal changes from green to yellow before turning red, the yellow signal is suppose to be set for being illuminated one second for every 10 mph for what ever the maxim speed limit is.

    30 mph = 3 seconds.
    35 mph = 3.5 seconds.
    45 mph = 4.5 seconds.

    Here in California it was discovered that the Democrat controlled municipal governments in collusion with the companies that provided and operated the cameras changed the duration of the yellow signals usually from .5 to 1 second. The cameras will take a picture of any vehicle which has entered or passed the line with in 1/1000th of a second when the signal turned red.

    For stupid people. if you enter an intersection when the light is green or yellow and it turns red while your in the center or 3/4's of the intersection the camera takes your picture and you receive a $450 plus ticket in the mail.

    Many municipalities in So Cal discovered that any intersection that had these cameras saw a huge increase in accidents, mostly rear end accidents. Most drivers are aware of the cameras and as soon as they see the traffic signal turn yellow, they are in fear of running a yellow light and hit their breaks. BAM !

    But it goes further.
    The SEIU and the other public service employees unions love these cameras. They cause millions of dollars to flow into the municipal tax coffers so they can demand higher wages for government workers.
    You see them every day, the two city workers filling a pot hole while four other city workers supervise.
    God forbid that law enforcement should display some sort of... oh, I don't know... integrity, or anything.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Other, and I thank the origibator for this most important option.
    It cannot just be the camera, it must be a camera system, which includes man, and his ability to think and reason....or not.
    Do we have this quality of man ?
    Its the Javerts in our society who scare me.

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