View Poll Results: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

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  • All cameras should be abolished

    50 49.50%
  • Abolish red light cameras only

    5 4.95%
  • Abolish speeding cameras only

    7 6.93%
  • Abolish other types of cameras only (specify)

    0 0%
  • Allow all cameras to remain in use

    28 27.72%
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    So why don't more fishermen end up with lead poisoning from sinkers?
    Good question but wouldnt your observation be a bit subjective? It is true that lead isnt absorbed through skin contact (unless it is a organic lead called tetraethyl lead). But even then lead leaves a residue on your fingers when you touch it (See this link: http://www.aps.anl.gov/Safety_and_Tr...otice_lead.pdf). If you do not wash off the lead on your fingers and eat or rub your eye you will move from skin exposure to the types of exposure that is associated with lead poisoning.

    Lead poisoning has long term effects, for example once poisoned the lead hangs out in bones and teeth for many years.

    But then I am not suggesting banning lead bullets or lead fishing weights. I would suggest avoiding their use but I am not a supporter of government bans on anything. Especially something as readily available as a metal (or plant lol). Other heavy metals pose big risks as well but with proper precautions in handling there isnt really a problem. The key is to educate people that may come in contact with heavy metals and explain the risks involved and how to avoid them. Biting lead weights for example is stupid even if the person has been doing it for years doesnt mean that they are not being poisoned.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    Are you aware that traffic enforcement cameras are designed primarily to steal people's money rather than enhance safety?
    No, and they aren't.

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    Did you know that the yellow on many intersections on major highways is set at the minimum legal limit of three seconds--inadequate most of the time?
    So? How about stopping on yellow then? Instead of being a nimrod and trying to make it through.

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    Did you know that cameras cause more accidents than they prevent?
    No, and I highly doubt it.

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    Would you like to abolish any of these?
    Maybe, but not for the specious reasons you seem to want to.

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    Do you have many cameras in your neighborhood?
    Yep, at every stop light. Not to mention the ones they put along side the roadway to catch speeders. I love those last, just wish they monitored for sound too and gave out $1000 tickets to music blasters - especially those insipid idiots with jacked up bass.

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    Have you received any (or many) tickets from cameras?
    Never, but then I'm a safe driver.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    How about no?
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So you want less safe roads in the name of not having any one see your car. That's rational....

    Straw man, red herring, whatever.... "let's exaggerate Goshin's argument far beyond anything he said to a ridiculous extreme nobody wants, as a way to make him look stupid even though he never said that."


    Ok. I don't have time for that kind of nonsense.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    But the number of camera's at intersections is quite limited, which is what we are talking about. Not everything is a conspiracy by the ebil gubment to keep you down man.
    I've always been a big believer in the 'spirit of the law' rather than the 'letter of the law.'

    When a police officer is sitting out at the intersection s/he will enforce traffic violations as they are seen by a person and likely avoid issuing them at a time when there is no danger from someone merely pausing at a stoplight.

    A camera on the other hand will have someone waiting at an empty intersection in the middle of the night, for no real reason.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    OTHER: Keep the ones already in place and put more up.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Yeah, because god knows we would not want to have safe roads. So much better to pay more for a bunch of police and have them watching instead of having cameras do it cheaper and better.
    But the Police will only be watching when there is an actual danger, not when there is no other cars around in the middle of the night.

    However, maybe one of these intersections that sees a reduction in accidents could turn the cameras off, and just use them as a warning, like a scarecrow.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Starbuck View Post
    Sure not all metals are the same.

    However, to say that the occasional handling of lead can poison you is quite the overstatement. Even OSHA has set a standard for routine safe/ permissible exposure to lead particles in the air.

    Simply touching a lead surface isn't going to poison you, especially if you are only doing this on occasion.

    Besides, when removed from the hazard the body will return to it's normal state, expelling any excess lead.

    It is absolutely not cumulative.
    You need to educate yourself, seriously.

    Lead Poisoning - CIPHE

    Lead enters the bloodstream and accumulates in organs (especially the liver, kidneys and brain), tissues, bones and teeth. Prolonged and repeated exposure increases the levels of lead in the body. The human body absorbs and expels lead very slowly, it is a cumulative poisoning as it can take from weeks to years for the body to expel lead after exposure.

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    Furthermore, lead exposure, at much lower levels than those causing lead nephropathy, acts as a cofactor with more established renal risk factors to increase the risk of chronic kidney disease and the rate of progression. Adverse renal effects have been reported at mean blood lead levels of less than 5 mcg/dL. Cumulative lead dose has also been associated with worse renal function.

    Baltimore County Md. Police - Lead Poisoning


    The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) classifies lead as a heavy metal with no beneficial biological use in the body. When a person inhales or ingests lead, it is absorbed into the bloodstream. Once in the body it becomes very difficult to remove. Continual exposure results in the accumulation of lead in the body, and measurable amounts of lead indicate cumulative exposure over a lifetime.


    Precautions on the Range

    Precautions can be taken both on and off the range to protect shooters, instructors, and their families from lead poisoning. Administrative controls and good hygiene are two necessary tools. In addition, all shooters and instructors should practice the following dos and don'ts of range safety.

    Do not smoke on the range.
    Smoking any type of tobacco products on the range should be prohibited to prevent acceleration of inhaled lead into the blood stream and ingestion of lead transferred from hands to the cigarette, cigar, etc.

    Do not eat on the range.
    Lead dust on hands and face can be ingested through contact with food. Airborne lead expelled from the weapon can also contaminate food.

    Don't collect fired brass in baseball caps.
    Many shooters use their baseball caps to collect spent brass, this contaminates the cap with lead particles, When the cap is placed back on the head, the lead is deposited into the hair and absorbed into the skin. Providing boxes for the brass prevents this practice.

    Do be aware face, arms, and hands are covered with lead.
    Shooters and instructors should wash thoroughly with cold water and plenty of soap. Cold water is preferred because warm water enhances the absorption of lead by opening the pores of the skin. If no water is available, shooters should consider carrying a box of wet hand wipes or a bottle of cool water and a washcloth for this purpose.

    Do be aware that hair and clothes are still contaminated.
    Shooters and Firearms Instructors should wear an outer garment, such as a jumpsuit or coveralls, or change clothes before going home. Contaminated clothes should not be cleaned by blowing, shaking, or other means that dispense lead into the air. To prevent cross-contamination, range clothes should be washed separately from the family's regular laundry. Families with infants should be particularly careful, since infants are most vulnerable to lead contamination. Families with infants should be particularly careful since infants are most vulnerable to lead contamination. Changing to clean clothing before leaving the range prevents recontamination of the hands and any contamination of the family vehicle.

    Shoes can also transport lead into the home.
    Shoes should be left at the door to prevent tracking lead onto floors and carpets. Ordinary vacuuming does not remove lead from the home, but redistributes it by blowing it in to the air to be inhaled and/or resettled onto the carpet.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    Are you aware that traffic enforcement cameras are designed primarily to steal people's money rather than enhance safety?

    Did you know that the yellow on many intersections on major highways is set at the minimum legal limit of three seconds--inadequate most of the time?

    Did you know that cameras cause more accidents than they prevent?

    Would you like to abolish any of these?

    Do you have many cameras in your neighborhood?

    Have you received any (or many) tickets from cameras?

    I believe that traffic cams should be abolished for the simple fact that law enforcement duties should not be outsourced to private companies and autonomous or automated machines. Law enforcement shouldn't be profit motivated. It also paves the way for drones to spying on everything we do.I do not know where or how many traffic enforcement cams are in my town nor have I received a ticket because of any of them.

    That said I do not feel sorry for anyone who receives a ticket for violating a traffic offense. Those are speed limit signs not speed suggestion signs. In my state you are supposed to stop at a yellow light.IN many other states you are suppose to stop at a yellow light unless you are too close to the intersection to stop.
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Straw man, red herring, whatever.... "let's exaggerate Goshin's argument far beyond anything he said to a ridiculous extreme nobody wants, as a way to make him look stupid even though he never said that."


    Ok. I don't have time for that kind of nonsense.
    I am not exaggerating your position. The direct result of your position is less safe streets. That is not an exaggeration. What you are protecting is your ability to ot be seen by the government in a public place. That is not an exaggeration.
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