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  • All cameras should be abolished

    50 49.50%
  • Abolish red light cameras only

    5 4.95%
  • Abolish speeding cameras only

    7 6.93%
  • Abolish other types of cameras only (specify)

    0 0%
  • Allow all cameras to remain in use

    28 27.72%
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Starbuck View Post
    If they were simply mounting a GoPro on the light that might be cheap, but many of those fancy intersection cameras cost more than your typical police vehicle ($50,000+).

    Cool thing about a police car though, it is multifunctional and can be used for any number of things. . . aside from issuing citations at an intersection.
    Yup, and I would rather the officers be out there catching criminals and stopping crime rather than handing out citations.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Easy way to avoid tickets given because of traffic cameras. Don't break the law.
    Now there is a novel idea......
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    Are you aware that traffic enforcement cameras are designed primarily to steal people's money rather than enhance safety?

    Did you know that the yellow on many intersections on major highways is set at the minimum legal limit of three seconds--inadequate most of the time?

    Did you know that cameras cause more accidents than they prevent?

    Would you like to abolish any of these?

    Do you have many cameras in your neighborhood?

    Have you received any (or many) tickets from cameras?
    Here's Maggie going through a solid red. How does one argue with that? Paying my $100 this morning. I'm the grey car in the left turn lane. First one I ever got.

    The City of Chicago put up nine speed cameras, all near parks and schools. For the first 45 days, drivers were issued warning citations only. There were 222,843 warning tickets given out which, if monetized, would have resulted in $13.3 million in fines. There's a 4 mph grace. They're going live right now, and the city is installing 41 more, all near schools and parks.

    Of course, I'm unhappy to have gotten a ticket; but, being a healthy conservative, a bit neurotic and easy to train, I don't mind. What's fair is fair.



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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    Are you aware that traffic enforcement cameras are designed primarily to steal people's money rather than enhance safety?

    Did you know that the yellow on many intersections on major highways is set at the minimum legal limit of three seconds--inadequate most of the time?

    Did you know that cameras cause more accidents than they prevent?

    Would you like to abolish any of these?

    Do you have many cameras in your neighborhood?

    Have you received any (or many) tickets from cameras?
    If we have the cameras, we no longer need as many police officers. For every camera installed, lay off one police officer. I'm pretty sure this would cure the problem.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    So 99.99 of red light runners get off? There are not enough officers to enforce or even make a dent.

    I have no issue with police being used to fight crime rather than enforcing traffic law violators.

    When I got mine, I saw the video and saw I was guilty. Paid the fine and became more aware of my surroundings and driving habits.

    A coworker of mine went to court to try to get off....the video was reviewed and the judge brought her up to the desk with the video and said "you are coming to me when you know I can watch the video and you are on the cell phone while running the red light?" She paid her fine and left.
    From my experience the practice is heavily abused and violates our code of "innocence until proven guilty." There's a busy intersection near my home that flashes an extremely bright flash whenever a car going through a yellow still has a bit of its tail sticking in the intersection, or even if you turn right on a red.

    For a citizen to have to go down to court to correct a piece of machinery's error sounds like excess burden on the citizen.
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    I think the cameras are a good idea.

    I wouldn't be opposed to increasing the yellow light time, but I think that too should be studied to see if it makes a difference. Like others have said and even I have experienced, many motorists have come to believe that yellow light means go faster, not slow down to stop, as it should.

    And it seems that a lot of the complaints about red light cameras is really hypocritical. Any time there is an increase in any type of accidents at lights with red light cameras it is automatically latched onto by opponents of the cameras saying "it must be because of the cameras", but then when there is a decrease in accidents, those same opponents say "but we don't know if that is due to the cameras".

    Accident rate rises at intersections with red-light cameras, N.J. study shows | NJ.com

    Newark says accidents down 64 percent at intersections with red light cameras | NJ.com

    Plus, the one denouncing red light cameras show only the amount of accidents that happened at those areas, but fail to show whether there was a change in other factors at those intersections, including perhaps an increase in cars going through them, which would certainly increase amount of accidents. And it would be hard to judge cost of accidents without a lot more information. The economy from year-to-year alone could affect the cost of accidents in one year to another.

    And the one in the Newark story is right, we don't what else might have changed, but that goes for both those who are for red light cameras and those who are against them. This is why these things need to be thoroughly accounted for in that study.
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    Are you aware that traffic enforcement cameras are designed primarily to steal people's money rather than enhance safety?

    Did you know that the yellow on many intersections on major highways is set at the minimum legal limit of three seconds--inadequate most of the time?

    Did you know that cameras cause more accidents than they prevent?

    Would you like to abolish any of these?

    Do you have many cameras in your neighborhood?

    Have you received any (or many) tickets from cameras?
    Do you know that Ron Paul backs up all of his claims with stats/sources? You should do the same if you want to call yourself "ronpaulvoter"
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    The government does not need to be running surveillance on its citizenry, period.


    If they want to see what we're doing in traffic, then let them get out there with us in a vehicle and take their chances with the rest of us.


    We have little enough privacy left as it is. Liberty is more important than safety.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Easy way to avoid tickets given because of traffic cameras. Don't break the law.


    The government agency whose job it is to keep up with how many laws there are can no longer give an accurate count, just an estimate... in the tens of thousands.


    A Yale prof says everyone is a felon, because there are so many felonies and so many are no longer "common sense" items that probably everyone has committed one at some point without knowing it.



    I have a problem with that.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    I think cameras are a good idea, they do make roads safer. However, the one caveat I have is all revenue they generate should go back into road safety.
    Like I've said, I marginally agree with the use of stoplight cameras. Especially where the majority of the revenue for these cameras does go towards increased road safety.

    However, I am totally opposed to speed limit cameras and do still feel that any cameras represent a slippery slope.

    So in practice stoplight cameras are marginally acceptable, but in principle they are not.

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