View Poll Results: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

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  • All cameras should be abolished

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  • Abolish red light cameras only

    5 4.95%
  • Abolish speeding cameras only

    7 6.93%
  • Abolish other types of cameras only (specify)

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  • Allow all cameras to remain in use

    28 27.72%
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Starbuck View Post
    But could the same results not have resulted from having an empty police car sitting at that intersection for a period of time?
    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    An empty cop car doesn't issue tickets.
    More to the point, an empty police car doesn't generate revenue for the city/county/state.

    It might actually reduce bad driving, and traffic accidents, but that was never the true intent behind these traffic cameras.
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    More to the point, an empty police car doesn't generate revenue for the city/county/state.
    Which is a good thing. We're still recovering from the damages caused by a drought in 2011.

    It might actually reduce bad driving, and traffic accidents, but that was never the true intent behind these traffic cameras.
    I'm ok with that.
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    Only where that one car is, and once they pass the police car they go right back to speeding and running red lights.
    The same can be said of the intersection cameras, people are careful at that one particular intersection and then go about their normal driving habits away from the camera.

    I agree that traffic citations offer solid financial consequences for not obeying traffic laws, however I don't believe that blindly issuing a citation to a car that happens to run a red light in the middle of the night is necessarily a valid idea. I think a police officer should be the one to issue a citation. If s/he is there to personally witness the unsafe driving then the citation is valid.


    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    Cameras cost a hell of a lot less than Crown Vics.
    The average installation cost for a intersection camera is well above $50,000, and that doesn't include the maintenance of the system or the review of the data collected. An average police vehicle costs a community around $35,000 and can be used for multiple things, such as emergency response.


    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    I don't see how "inconvenience" is a viable argument, either. The reason we have these cameras is because people were dying due to people speeding, running red lights, and driving drunk. I'm perfectly fine with reckless, stupid drivers being "inconvenienced" by the enforcement of traffic laws.
    It's not really an argument.

    My point is that traffic enforcement should be solely predicated upon increased safety. Maybe they should turn the cameras off during non-peak traffic hours, because as I've already said, I don't think someone pausing at a timed light in the middle of the night should constitute a traffic citation. . . especially where there are no other cars/ pedestrians around to hit.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Starbuck View Post
    The same can be said of the intersection cameras, people are careful at that one particular intersection and then go about their normal driving habits away from the camera.
    Cameras aren't the only measures taken.

    I agree that traffic citations offer solid financial consequences for not obeying traffic laws, however I don't believe that blindly issuing a citation to a car that happens to run a red light in the middle of the night is necessarily a valid idea. I think a police officer should be the one to issue a citation. If s/he is there to personally witness the unsafe driving then the citation is valid.
    The citation is valid whether there was a police officer there or not. Camera tickets can be fought in court just like those issued by police. The only problem with fighting camera tickets is that it's no longer your word against an officer's. There's documented evidence that a law was broken.

    The average installation cost for a intersection camera is well above $50,000, and that doesn't include the maintenance of the system or the review of the data collected. An average police vehicle costs a community around $35,000 and can be used for multiple things, such as emergency response.
    One specific model of camera does. The large infrared cameras with bulky steel housings that look like this:


    This is the type of camera we have:

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    Not every city uses the same cameras, so we can move beyond that myth.

    My point is that traffic enforcement should be solely predicated upon increased safety. Maybe they should turn the cameras off during non-peak traffic hours, because as I've already said, I don't think someone pausing at a timed light in the middle of the night should constitute a traffic citation. . . especially where there are no other cars/ pedestrians around to hit.
    The problem is that the "no cop; no stop" mentality has caused many fatal accidents and pedestrian deaths here in the past. One of the problem roads in the older part of town is littered with white crosses that memorialize dead pedestrians. Something was done about it, and it yielded very good results. If that's not worth the investment, I don't know what is.
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    So, I suppose that means that the standard, "red means stop, green means go, yellow means go very fast" mindset would need to change. If you go through a red light, you get a ticket. A good rule of thumb with this issue would be to slow down when you see a yellow, not speed up.
    Personally, it depends how close I am to the yellow. If I don't think I'll make the stop, or if it's a close thing, I keep going and maybe speed up a bit. If I have plenty of time to stop, I stop.
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Starbuck View Post
    Lead has become a trademark boogeyman for our society.

    Sure it's hazardous, but so is aluminum or copper. Really, any metal can be poisonous if you ingest, inhale or inject too much of it into your body. The problem with lead is that we used it for a great number of things and overexposure became common.

    Handling lead bullets on occasion is not going to cause an overexposure.
    Not all metals are the same. Lead is by far more dangerous to handle than aluminum or copper. And yes occasional handling of lead can poison you. Anytime that skin comes in contact with lead you should wash your hands with soap. If you dont the cumulative absorption into your skin will make you ill.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Not all metals are the same. Lead is by far more dangerous to handle than aluminum or copper. And yes occasional handling of lead can poison you. Anytime that skin comes in contact with lead you should wash your hands with soap. If you dont the cumulative absorption into your skin will make you ill.
    Sure not all metals are the same.

    However, to say that the occasional handling of lead can poison you is quite the overstatement. Even OSHA has set a standard for routine safe/ permissible exposure to lead particles in the air.

    Simply touching a lead surface isn't going to poison you, especially if you are only doing this on occasion.

    Besides, when removed from the hazard the body will return to it's normal state, expelling any excess lead.

    It is absolutely not cumulative.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    Are you aware that traffic enforcement cameras are designed primarily to steal people's money rather than enhance safety?

    Did you know that the yellow on many intersections on major highways is set at the minimum legal limit of three seconds--inadequate most of the time?

    Did you know that cameras cause more accidents than they prevent?

    Would you like to abolish any of these?

    Do you have many cameras in your neighborhood?

    Have you received any (or many) tickets from cameras?
    So nobody will speed if every inch of the streets is covered?

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Not all metals are the same. Lead is by far more dangerous to handle than aluminum or copper. And yes occasional handling of lead can poison you. Anytime that skin comes in contact with lead you should wash your hands with soap. If you dont the cumulative absorption into your skin will make you ill.
    So why don't more fishermen end up with lead poisoning from sinkers?
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    I think cameras are a good idea, they do make roads safer. However, the one caveat I have is all revenue they generate should go back into road safety.
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