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  • Abolish red light cameras only

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  • Abolish speeding cameras only

    7 6.93%
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    They don't allow 12 year olds to drive in the USA, which is what your age 45 and been on the road for 33 years comes out to. What is the minimum age to drive in the Netherlands?
    In the Netherlands you can also cycle and ride mopeds before you are allowed to drive cars at 18. I never committed speeding offenses on my moped (from aged 16) and never cycled through red lights or committed a traffic offense when I only had a bike to move around.
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    In the Netherlands you can also cycle and ride mopeds before you are allowed to drive cars at 18. I never committed speeding offenses on my moped (from aged 16) and never cycled through red lights or committed a traffic offense when I only had a bike to move around.
    You didn't ride a bike until age 12?

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    You didn't ride a bike until age 12?
    Of course I did, I grew up riding bikes but until you reach a certain age your mother will accompany you to school, especially if you have to cross one of the busiest roads of the town while cycling to school.
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Place as many camera's as needed for people to start keeping themselves to speed limits etc.

    People who complain are usually people who have been ticketed. Well sorry for your damned luck but if you had followed the rules of the road you would not have been ticketed in the first place.

    Don't come crying when you have had a speeding ticket, you broke the law so you have to pay the consequence. And no, the "safety only" argument means nothing to me because people who commit speeding offenses on one road will most likely do it on loads of other roads too. But as the police does not have the money for, or the attitude to police everybody on every street, camera's will be put on roads that either have the risk of leading to dangerous accidents or roads where a lot of people break the speed limit.

    If you don't want a ticket, don't speed. If you don't want a DUI, don't drink and drive. If you don't want to be ticketed for running a red light, don't run a red light.

    The best way to cost the state money? Behave yourself and keep to the speed limits. Don't run red lights, make illegal U-turns etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. You will save money yourself and maybe, just maybe free up the police to fight actual crimes instead of playing kindergarten cops to people who speed, run lights, ride your bumper or do other silly and mostly dangerous stuff.

    I am 45 years now and have been on the roads now for about 33 years by myself and have had 1 speeding ticket in all that time.

    The odds of someone to get a ticket if you follow the maximum speed limit is very small, break that speed limit and you will have to pay the consequence IMHO.
    I remember driving with my cousins in the Netherlands it was annoying with all the speed cameras near Amsterdam. They would cause all the traffic to slow down and it just creates more congestion.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    I remember driving with my cousins in the Netherlands it was annoying with all the speed cameras near Amsterdam. They would cause all the traffic to slow down and it just creates more congestion.
    Sorry, but that is the other way around. If people kept to the maximum speed limit or adjusted their speed limit to the level of traffic on the roads (and behaved like actual human being instead of antisocial road rage idiots) there would be much less congestion. But because some people think they have the right to drive faster than anybody else, drive so close to the car in front of them that the bumpers almost touch and refuse to act social on the road, accidents happen, traffic gets congested and then everybody blames the road/traffic cams/other road users/police/stop signs/weather etc. etc. etc. but seldom to you see them blaming the real culprit aka themselves.
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Sorry, but that is the other way around. If people kept to the maximum speed limit or adjusted their speed limit to the level of traffic on the roads (and behaved like actual human being instead of antisocial road rage idiots) there would be much less congestion. But because some people think they have the right to drive faster than anybody else, drive so close to the car in front of them that the bumpers almost touch and refuse to act social on the road, accidents happen, traffic gets congested and then everybody blames the road/traffic cams/other road users/police/stop signs/weather etc. etc. etc. but seldom to you see them blaming the real culprit aka themselves.
    Exactly! That's the real problem with our roads.

    Things would be a lot better if the autos would just slow down and spread out. It wouldn't even need to be by all that much. And if traffic cams is what it takes to force them, then I'm all for it.

    There are other issues that need to be addressed. And some will be less easy. But this would help a lot.

    As far as the 'yellow light' issue goes, here's my suggestion. Paint a line right across the traffic lanes at some point ahead of the intersection. The exact spot would be determined by the yellow light timing. If you're going the speed limit and you've not yet crossed the line when the yellow comes on, then you're not going to make it. Everyone would understand this. I imagine that most people would actually welcome it as a way of giving them certainty. And let the cameras 'burn' those who ignore it.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    They have also reduced the time to less than federal standards so the danger factor is quite real. There is no manner for anyone to know how long the yellow light will last. When there is a major accident or fatality, I hope the State of Florida is sued over this.
    Well given the examples given by others are less than a fraction of a second in difference, I doubt anyone can tell if the light has been shortened. 4.5 or 4.3 seconds? 4 or 3.9? I don't live in a city but when I do go to town I am amazed at the number of cars that run the red. I do travel a bit and it seems many folks across the country figure if in the intersection while the light is still yellow you are GTG.

    More than one safety issue in play here, seems you are only mad about the one that doesn't let you run the light, or roll the right hand turn.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    if the ticket does not come directly from the city municipal or state law enforcement I have started tossing them. Most of them are in rental cars anyway and in states that do no cooperate with mine. These contractors that send these out have no recourse for collection without a conviction anyway and they know it.
    Have to once again throw the BS flag at you. The rental agency has you sign a rental agreement AND you have to use a credit card. The car rental agency gets the ticket, because it is the license plate not a facial recognition that identifies who gets the ticket. So the car rental folks charge your credit card PLUS a fee. (read your agreement)

    You not being there in no way prevents a 'conviction', the owner of the vehicle is held responsible and like I said they just turn around and charge the card with which the car was rented.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Sorry, but that is the other way around. If people kept to the maximum speed limit or adjusted their speed limit to the level of traffic on the roads (and behaved like actual human being instead of antisocial road rage idiots) there would be much less congestion. But because some people think they have the right to drive faster than anybody else, drive so close to the car in front of them that the bumpers almost touch and refuse to act social on the road, accidents happen, traffic gets congested and then everybody blames the road/traffic cams/other road users/police/stop signs/weather etc. etc. etc. but seldom to you see them blaming the real culprit aka themselves.
    When I as there we were travelling at about 120 till we got to the speed cameras, in Belgium the speed limit was 130 which I think is much more reasonable. You are also right next door to the Autobahn and the Germans are fine.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    In the Netherlands you can also cycle and ride mopeds before you are allowed to drive cars at 18. I never committed speeding offenses on my moped (from aged 16) and never cycled through red lights or committed a traffic offense when I only had a bike to move around.
    You can speed on a moped?

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