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  • All cameras should be abolished

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  • Abolish red light cameras only

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Place as many camera's as needed for people to start keeping themselves to speed limits etc.

    People who complain are usually people who have been ticketed. Well sorry for your damned luck but if you had followed the rules of the road you would not have been ticketed in the first place.

    Don't come crying when you have had a speeding ticket, you broke the law so you have to pay the consequence. And no, the "safety only" argument means nothing to me because people who commit speeding offenses on one road will most likely do it on loads of other roads too. But as the police does not have the money for, or the attitude to police everybody on every street, camera's will be put on roads that either have the risk of leading to dangerous accidents or roads where a lot of people break the speed limit.

    If you don't want a ticket, don't speed. If you don't want a DUI, don't drink and drive. If you don't want to be ticketed for running a red light, don't run a red light.

    The best way to cost the state money? Behave yourself and keep to the speed limits. Don't run red lights, make illegal U-turns etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. You will save money yourself and maybe, just maybe free up the police to fight actual crimes instead of playing kindergarten cops to people who speed, run lights, ride your bumper or do other silly and mostly dangerous stuff.

    I am 45 years now and have been on the roads now for about 33 years by myself and have had 1 speeding ticket in all that time.

    The odds of someone to get a ticket if you follow the maximum speed limit is very small, break that speed limit and you will have to pay the consequence IMHO.
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    It's very hard, without other evidence, to prove a blurry picture of a driver is a given person. A police officer that's looking at you and your driver's license at the same time doesn't have that problem. Some red light cams don't even take the pic from the front, they take it from the back, which makes driver identification impossible. Tickets are issued to the registered owner of the vehicle, the first one listed on the title.
    Taking the photo from the back is a relatively recent change. It fits with the lower charge since actual due process is so difficult to prove otherwise. It's easier to work with as not all cars have front license plates (even when legally required) yet virtually all cars do have rear plates. And if you no longer have to concern yourself with actual proof and due process... might as well go for the easier and more sure way.
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    When people grow up with them they are actually MUCH safer than signaled intersections. The problem we're currently having is a lack of experience with them. Our children (or grandchildren, for those of us that are older) will handle them just fine when they grow up and be safer for it.


    Personally, I hate the damn things, too! But I didn't grow up with them. It's hard to break 40+ years of driving habits.
    I grew up with them (there was one about a mile from where I lived as a kid and my family used it several times a week). I've driven them more times than I can count and I STILL hate them.
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    IN RECENT court decision, An Ohio Common Pleas judge ruled (after issuing preliminary injunctions) that the Village Elmwood Place actions of using cameras to issue tickets was unconstitutional and has ORDERED the village to refund the moneys so collected. The Village apparently cannot since it spent a lot of the windfall


    Great ruling-puts a nail in the coffin of these revenue gathering schemes masquerading as traffic safety.
    I just looked that up. The ruling makes sense to me. Besides, these were cameras set to ticket at +5MPH, and part of the suit was questioning the calibration.

    Elmwood Place: Judge orders village to repay $1.8 million from speed camera tickets; 1/23/14

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    We use to go to Tampa often for dining but basically have stopped because of the growing number of redlight cameras. This is particularly true with the yellow light times changed to unknowns. Either you slam on your brakes when the light turns yellow - risking getting rear ended - or risk getting a ticket. An accident isn't worth it.

    I can not speak for other states, but local and state government in Florida will not hesitate to endanger people's lives if they can get money out of it. Cameras aren't the only way they do so. For example, it is common to put up red cones and a reduced speed construction zone sign (then double the fine) for which the sign stating the speed limit has dropped is before a major entrance ramp - meaning people on the Interstate going 45 and people going 75 - a very dangerous situation. Just over the hill from that trap typically will be over a dozen county, local and state radar cars.

    Another common trick is more around building up frustration - such as putting up a sign to mislead where you should turn on a state highway - and the just past where the sign showing what highway you are on is at there will be a turn-around lane marked to prohibit U-turns. It is common on the state and country roads for the speed limit to go up and down for no reason - meaning if you miss a sign you get burned.

    It is illegal in Florida to have any kind of covering our your plate or anything else that possibly can interfere with traffic and watch-up cameras.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Place as many camera's as needed for people to start keeping themselves to speed limits etc.

    People who complain are usually people who have been ticketed. Well sorry for your damned luck but if you had followed the rules of the road you would not have been ticketed in the first place.

    Don't come crying when you have had a speeding ticket, you broke the law so you have to pay the consequence. And no, the "safety only" argument means nothing to me because people who commit speeding offenses on one road will most likely do it on loads of other roads too. But as the police does not have the money for, or the attitude to police everybody on every street, camera's will be put on roads that either have the risk of leading to dangerous accidents or roads where a lot of people break the speed limit.

    If you don't want a ticket, don't speed. If you don't want a DUI, don't drink and drive. If you don't want to be ticketed for running a red light, don't run a red light.

    The best way to cost the state money? Behave yourself and keep to the speed limits. Don't run red lights, make illegal U-turns etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. You will save money yourself and maybe, just maybe free up the police to fight actual crimes instead of playing kindergarten cops to people who speed, run lights, ride your bumper or do other silly and mostly dangerous stuff.

    I am 45 years now and have been on the roads now for about 33 years by myself and have had 1 speeding ticket in all that time. What is the minimum age to drive in the Netherlands.

    You know the best way for a person to never break any of the billion pages of government restrictions is to never leave the house. There are people whose pride in life is in doing everything they are told to do and not do anything they are told not to.

    They should note that on some people's tombstones: "Here lies a perfectly submissive person."



    The odds of someone to get a ticket if you follow the maximum speed limit is very small, break that speed limit and you will have to pay the consequence IMHO.
    They don't allow 12 year olds to drive in the USA, which is what your age 45 and been on the road for 33 years comes out to. What is the minimum age to drive in the Netherlands?
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    It is illegal in Florida to have any kind of covering our your plate or anything else that possibly can interfere with traffic and watch-up cameras.
    Most states, if not all, have that. Even if they don't have cameras.
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    There are people who's greatest pride in life is doing everything they are told to do and nothing told not to do. And furiously declare everyone else should equally be submissive and restrained.

    That should be on some people's tombstones: "Here lies a perfectly submissive person."

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    We used to often go to Tampa on weekends for fine dining and a get-away trip. Between all the redlight cameras and Florida opting to take yellow lights times even below Federal standards for which there is no way to know how long the light will stay yellow has spoiled that. Do I slam on the brakes to avoid a ticket and then maybe get rear-ended? Or take that chance and get the ticket? Added is having to mind-read the drivers in front. If one of them slows or stops suddenly to make a left turn I could get stuck in the intersection or slowed enough not to clear the intersection in the unknown amount of time.

    While a person should obviously not run red lights, having to constantly calculate everything and everyone to the millisecond while under cameras combined with the continuously changing speed limits it just isn't a pleasant cruise anymore - and too dangerous.

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