View Poll Results: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

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  • All cameras should be abolished

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  • Abolish red light cameras only

    5 4.95%
  • Abolish speeding cameras only

    7 6.93%
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    0 0%
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    28 27.72%
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    I understand their are, but I have not encountered them as well.

    But if there are short yellows, take video, and tell it too the judge.

    Realistically though, people should not be following so closely that a quick stop will cause a crash. I do agree the distracted issue is huge, combining that with tailgating is the bigger issue - rather than widespread short yellows.
    Yes, every person should go to a court every week to prove they are innocent of any violations of law. Really, people should quit their jobs, go on welfare and spend their days at courthouses. Especially courthouses 1000 miles away from where they live. I'm sure the government will pay the airline tickets and motel if the ticket is dismissed

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by lawboy View Post
    No one said you can not get a trial, why do you think you can not?? If you want a jury trial for a non jailable offense, you may be out of luck (state specific), in Ohio, no, but you can always have a bench trial.
    Oklahoma is at least honest enough to call them "police courts." You don't win a court where the city is paying the salary and doing the hiring of both the police and the judge.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    You can go to court. You can contest. Many do. I saw the video, saw what I had done. Paid my fine and learned from my mistake. If I did not agree with the ticket, I would have gone to court. I was not deprived .
    How much do you think it costs most people to take a day off from work?

    Cite ANY law that says an employer has to allow an employee to even miss work to fight a traffic ticket?

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    A redlight camera would have ticketed you.
    I didn't run the red though. It was still yellow. I was almost stopped when it was red. Would it still have ticketed me, I wonder?
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I didn't run the red though. It was still yellow. I was almost stopped when it was red. Would it still have ticketed me, I wonder?
    Then I don't know really.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    The FACT is that a person doing 170 in a 200 mph designed car on a flat open highway without a car in sight endangers no one but possibly the driver - who is still safer than a lot of urban driving circumstances.

    It is amazing and perplexing to me how MANY on this forum (and in society) seem to live in constant fear that ANYTHING might possibly, even in theory, harm them for which for such terrible fear they rage in hatred and want endless lists of punishments against anyone whose different activities or views may possibly in some theory poise a danger. Nearly all hate is based in fear, not rationality. Fear rationalizes hate.

    I did not grow up in typical American culture. My youth would have justified constant great fear and hate, but I learned very young those are worthless and only counter-productive. Nothing good comes of it, only handicap and diversion.

    I can not really grasp so many people having such terrible fear, such furious hates because of those fears, and how almost endlessly long the list of those fears and hates are, often about the most petty and ordinary things for which they want anyone and everyone of such differences punished and ruined.

    For this, I'm not optimistic of this country's future, though it can probably continue a steady but controlled downward spiral continuing to benefit from the country's past successes and triumphs. I just don't think a society can prosper or be free for long when ever increasing numbers of people cry out in constant terror and fury: "I'm afraid! Protect me! Take care of me! Life is unfair! Everyone owes me! Save me!" as their perspective and increasingly their lifestyle and values. It amazes me that anyone thinks that panic self-pity parties help themselves other than politicians will throw them crumbs for their votes.

    Maybe THAT is the reason for the growing economic gap between the haves and have nots. Maybe it is because there is a growing number of self pity angry and afraid people who make themselves have nots, won't do what it takes to have, and more enjoy being victims - of themselves (but they have endless excuses).

    A guy driving a fast car alone in the middle of nowhere? Give him a ticket or just chew him out and leave it at that. No big deal.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Oklahoma is at least honest enough to call them "police courts." You don't win a court where the city is paying the salary and doing the hiring of both the police and the judge.
    I've been pulled over for speeding (10-15 over the limit) here in Oklahoma a couple times and they just gave me a warning each time.

    Fun Fact: I was armed both times I was pulled over. Both times I told the officer. Both times the officer didn't care and had me sit in the cruser with him while armed.

    Oklahoma cops are cool ****. Nice mustang crusers, too, right out of Transformers.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I didn't run the red though. It was still yellow. I was almost stopped when it was red. Would it still have ticketed me, I wonder?
    So I've been looking into Buddhism recently, and now I know what your name means.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    If the time of a yellow to red and then picture does not allow for a safe stopping distance, then they are in violation. Problem is with people texting and not paying attention in other ways...

    I have never seen too short of yellows. Will you document one for us please.
    Regardless of how long, it is too short for a redlight camera if a vehicle stops in front of you or a pedestrian steps out.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Regardless of how long, it is too short for a redlight camera if a vehicle stops in front of you or a pedestrian steps out.
    If a vehicle stops in front of you, and that scares you, you must have been following too close!

    Have you ever paid attention to the whole picture of traffic signals?

    First off, there is usually a pause between the red of one direction, to the green and walk of the other. Even when there isn't, it still takes time for a pedestrian or car to accelerate.

    I haven't heard a single argument that doesn't sound like any better of an excuse than "my dog ate my homework."

    I am infuriated by drivers who think they are the only ones that matter on the roadways. There are other methods of "traffic quelling" that bother me, but not red light cameras.

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