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  • Abolish red light cameras only

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  • Abolish speeding cameras only

    7 6.93%
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    It seems to me that the key issue here is not traffic enforcement cameras (at least, not unless you get into the side issue of cameras being acceptable at all, electronic surveillance being unacceptable to some), but rather proper use thereof.

    Cameras should be used so that they fine only those who actually violate the law blatently, and drivers should be made aware of the rules involving yellow lights (as I understand them, if light changes yellow, continue on unless you have time to stop before the intersection).

    That someone (in this very thread) thought that the way to go was slamming on your brakes when you saw a yellow light, indicates some miscommunication or badly worded laws. Or outright intentional idiocy to make money, which probably happens in a few places.
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    It seems to me that the key issue here is not traffic enforcement cameras (at least, not unless you get into the side issue of cameras being acceptable at all, electronic surveillance being unacceptable to some), but rather proper use thereof.

    Cameras should be used so that they fine only those who actually violate the law blatently, and drivers should be made aware of the rules involving yellow lights (as I understand them, if light changes yellow, continue on unless you have time to stop before the intersection).

    That someone (in this very thread) thought that the way to go was slamming on your brakes when you saw a yellow light, indicates some miscommunication or badly worded laws. Or outright intentional idiocy to make money, which probably happens in a few places.
    I lived in Germany in the late 80's early 90's. They used these cameras in quite a few places around where I lived. Their cameras took two pictures, the second a fraction of a second later. This way, they didn't ticket you in some cases, like simply tripping the system but stopping.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    You have the right to go to court and fight it. many people do.

    Now, if you think there is some elaborate scheme where they have CGI your face onto another driver, I am all ears.

    I know there are a few (not all) of the intersections that have red light cameras that I feel much safer since they were placed. Too many close calls.

    I do agree with a prior poster that the company in charge of the cameras should get a flat rate. They should have no financial incentive to play games with them.
    Yes, a person can lose a day or more of employment or even lose their job by missing work to dispute a robo computer that filed a case and accusation against them.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Yes, a person can lose a day or more of employment or even lose their job by missing work to dispute a robo computer that filed a case and accusation against them.
    IF you get one in a state that you may not go back to for years and it does not cooperate with your home state, you can simply ignore them.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    It seems to me that the key issue here is not traffic enforcement cameras (at least, not unless you get into the side issue of cameras being acceptable at all, electronic surveillance being unacceptable to some), but rather proper use thereof.

    Cameras should be used so that they fine only those who actually violate the law blatently, and drivers should be made aware of the rules involving yellow lights (as I understand them, if light changes yellow, continue on unless you have time to stop before the intersection).

    That someone (in this very thread) thought that the way to go was slamming on your brakes when you saw a yellow light, indicates some miscommunication or badly worded laws. Or outright intentional idiocy to make money, which probably happens in a few places.
    I didn't see someone saying anything about "slamming on brakes". Maybe I missed it. I seem to remember someone talking about pumping the brakes a few times when someone is too close. Now if I am on the freeway and some idiot is too close, I will tap my brakes a few times and they usually get the clue. In general, if someone is acting like an asshole on the freeway (tailgating, weaving/speeding, and such) I usually just try to get out of their way.

    But frankly, are we not all responsible for the basic rules that we learned and took a test on for the DMV?

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    IF you get one in a state that you may not go back to for years and it does not cooperate with your home state, you can simply ignore them.
    That is risky.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    I didn't see someone saying anything about "slamming on brakes". Maybe I missed it. I seem to remember someone talking about pumping the brakes a few times when someone is too close. Now if I am on the freeway and some idiot is too close, I will tap my brakes a few times and they usually get the clue. In general, if someone is acting like an asshole on the freeway (tailgating, weaving/speeding, and such) I usually just try to get out of their way.

    But frankly, are we not all responsible for the basic rules that we learned and took a test on for the DMV?
    It was multiple pages ago. I was not referring to the "brake check" bit.
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    That is risky.
    I have been in the Nashville warrant storage room in the basement of the courthouse, you would laugh your ass off if you saw all those, there are probably in excess of 500,000

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    You have the right to go to court and fight it. many people do.

    Now, if you think there is some elaborate scheme where they have CGI your face onto another driver, I am all ears.

    I know there are a few (not all) of the intersections that have red light cameras that I feel much safer since they were placed. Too many close calls.

    I do agree with a prior poster that the company in charge of the cameras should get a flat rate. They should have no financial incentive to play games with them.
    In the early days of red-light cameras the photo was taken of the front of the vehicle along with the driver's face. This allowed LE to match the driver with the offense, and the offense went on the driver's record as an infraction. Assessing personal individual responsibility, what a concept, eh? It CAN be done, and has been done, but LE doesn't like it, because some people were able to beat the ticket this way. The visor might cover their face, no front license plate, or whatever.

    Changing it to the way it is now, by making it a minor civil offense and not an infraction, eliminates the driver getting their record dinged... which LE doesn't really like either, but it lowers the burden of proof to virtually nothing, so... they get to keep more of the money. If this isn't solid evidence that the money is more important than teaching the driver a lesson, then you're (generic 'you') simply not willing to have an open mind.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    It seems to me that the key issue here is not traffic enforcement cameras (at least, not unless you get into the side issue of cameras being acceptable at all, electronic surveillance being unacceptable to some), but rather proper use thereof.

    Cameras should be used so that they fine only those who actually violate the law blatently, and drivers should be made aware of the rules involving yellow lights (as I understand them, if light changes yellow, continue on unless you have time to stop before the intersection).

    That someone (in this very thread) thought that the way to go was slamming on your brakes when you saw a yellow light, indicates some miscommunication or badly worded laws. Or outright intentional idiocy to make money, which probably happens in a few places.
    Unless already in the intersection, slamming on your brakes if the light turns yellow is the only certain way to be in compliance with the dehumanized computers-rule-humans law.

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