View Poll Results: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

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  • All cameras should be abolished

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  • Abolish red light cameras only

    5 4.95%
  • Abolish speeding cameras only

    7 6.93%
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    For the car my wife got me, in addition to a total cosmetic redo and upgrade, she is adding front and rear laser jammers (legal), state of the art radar detectors (legal), redlight/speeding cameras early warning system (legal) and radar defeating paint to the critical areas of the frontal area which reduces radar's range from 50 to 75%, depending on the unit and all well after the radar detector would alert. Total cost under $5K. The navigation system already warns when over the speed limit.

    I didn't ask for it and rarely would be turning on the radar detector and usually I'm well under the speed limit - sometimes annoyingly so to others, though I try not to impede traffic. On the other hand, if I really am in a hurry for some reason or on some long empty stretch in the middle of nowhere, I may open it up. Then again, sometimes she'll be driving and usually that's "hold her Johnny! She's headed for the barn!!!"
    I drive some where almost every week staying out 2-4 nights each week. Between the fake construction zones, texting idiots, people driving in the left lane holding up traffic, I do not feel guilty at all. The radar detector above was $500 and it was worth every penny. I just had it updated two weeks ago and it is better than when I got it. I drive a black car (harder for laser to target) and have a coating on my license plate that flashes bright white when a red light camera goes off.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

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    I myself have had 3 major accidents (cars severely damaged and totaled - with bodily injury) All happened because of people not following basic rules of the road/driving rules).

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    If there had been a robo-camera would that have prevented any of those accidents?

    The only accidents I've ever been in were 2 I caused in response to road ragers. People in little cars shouldn't go off on someone in an old 6,000 pound 70s beatup Lincoln towncar. They're gonna lose that one. My Mrs. should be called "Little Miss Traffic Violator." Motorcycles. Cars. Boats. But she's never been in an accident nor gotten a ticket. She can drive! But she also drives like an old woman going to church on Sunday if children are in the car or in the area if she is alone. You could walk faster than she drives in a residential area with children present. But she likes to look at the children anyway.
    Last edited by joko104; 10-15-13 at 10:52 PM.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    I drive some where almost every week staying out 2-4 nights each week. Between the fake construction zones, texting idiots, people driving in the left lane holding up traffic, I do not feel guilty at all. The radar detector above was $500 and it was worth every penny. I just had it updated two weeks ago and it is better than when I got it. I drive a black car (harder for laser to target) and have a coating on my license plate that flashes bright white when a red light camera goes off.
    That coating on a license plate is illegal in Florida, but what are they gonna do about it if they don't have a picture? But Florida only has REAR plates, no front plate. The radar defeating paint on key areas will give you greater time to respond to your radar detector as it shortens the range of radar units. That is legal EXCEPT on license plates in some states. Look up "radar blocking paint" on You Tube. They show it in real radar tests against numerous units. Again, it's legal. Laser blockers are legal in almost all states and do work, but are pricey if they are real. Radar jammers are illegal and don't work anyway.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    That coating on a license plate is illegal in Florida, but what are they gonna do about it if they don't have a picture? But Florida only has REAR plates, no front plate. The radar defeating paint on key areas will give you greater time to respond to your radar detector as it shortens the range of radar units. That is legal EXCEPT on license plates in some states. Look up "radar blocking paint" on You Tube. They show it in real radar tests against numerous units. Again, it's legal. Laser blockers are legal in almost all states and do work, but are pricey if they are real. Radar jammers are illegal and don't work anyway.
    My redline picks up policemen sitting on the opposite side of an overpass 2 miles out. It is a great piece of equipment

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    You got a ticket, then paid it. What is your point? You were 8 miles over. That will get you a ticket by a cop just as easily.
    No not true. I was traveling at a safe speed for that time of night on a deserted road. Most police here won't even pull you over unless you are going 10 miles over the limit unless in a school zone or during high traffic times or driving dangerously.

    Anyway, my point is that critical thinking needs to be used and only humans can use critical thought not cameras. If people are constantly being monitoring by nonhuman means (hence no critical thought), it becomes a rigid and repressive environment in which the motive (in this case public safety) can be abused to become a very different motive (which I think is revenue for the city).

    I believe DC's motive is revenue much more so than public safety. If you look at some facts---speed and red-light cameras taking in an average of $30,570 a day and a total of more than $28 million since the start of fiscal 2011.

    As of July 31, drivers in the nation's capital have paid nearly $70 million in traffic camera fines this year (they paid nearly $100 million in 2012), and 2014 is looking like a stellar year for the D.C. government, as the city has announced plans to more than double the number of traffic cameras in Washington -- from around 90 to 225.

    New figures show D.C. traffic cameras increasingly are paying off for the city.

    The city brought in more than twice as much money in 2012 as the year before from about $43 million to more than $95 million.

    If you like traffic cameras, that is your prerogative. I have a right to dislike them because I feel they are being grossly abused.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    No, it doesnt.
    "Sir, will you exit your vehicle?" "Why, we would like to look around real quick". "You got a warrant?" "No, why would I need one" "Its my right". "OK, turn around hands on our head, you will be transported to our office while the warrant is called in."It will take an hour or so".
    Before that, a dog will be called to hit on anything we find. If we find ANYTHING you will be charged immediatly. "but but..." "You have the right to remain silent. Keep that in mind".
    Sure the 4th applies to cars. An order to exit to the driver is a Mimms order, and is constitutional, failure to obey is grounds for arrest . Mimms is 4th AM law, so it applies.

    Transporting a person away from a scene as you describe is an arrest, and better be supported by PC.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter
    Are you aware that traffic enforcement cameras are designed primarily to steal people's money rather than enhance safety?
    So?

    I don't care if stupid people have to pay more.


    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter
    Did you know that the yellow on many intersections on major highways is set at the minimum legal limit of three seconds--inadequate most of the time?
    There is more to it than that. There would never be a minimum 3 seconds at in intersection where the speed limit is 45 MPH.


    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter
    Did you know that cameras cause more accidents than they prevent?
    Only because stupid people panic.


    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter
    Would you like to abolish any of these?
    No, I would like people to start driving more responsibly.


    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter
    Do you have many cameras in your neighborhood?
    Many, but I never counted them. I don't look for them.


    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter
    Have you received any (or many) tickets from cameras?
    No.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Many municipalities in So Cal discovered that any intersection that had these cameras saw a huge increase in accidents, mostly rear end accidents. Most drivers are aware of the cameras and as soon as they see the traffic signal turn yellow, they are in fear of running a yellow light and hit their breaks. BAM !
    Well, that's what stupid people get for following too close.

    2 second rule....

    Anyone...

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The only option with redlight cameras is to slam on your brakes if the light turns yellow unless you are already in the intersection.
    Not quite true.

    Always brake is you are within a safe, non-emergency stopping range when a light turns yellow. Of you still get tagged, go back with a stopwatch and time the yellow for court.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    . Traffic tickets are CRIMINAL cases for which a person can be arrested and jailed -
    Not in Ohio. Camera tickets are "Infractions" per the OSC.

    Now, ordinarily, if an officer would see it, under state law most traffic offenses are Minor Misdemeanors, still not arrestable absent a few statutory exceptions.

    Cities however are free to make any offense an M-4 or above and arrestable, except as stated, camera offenses.

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