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  • All cameras should be abolished

    50 49.50%
  • Abolish red light cameras only

    5 4.95%
  • Abolish speeding cameras only

    7 6.93%
  • Abolish other types of cameras only (specify)

    0 0%
  • Allow all cameras to remain in use

    28 27.72%
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Your response is correct. Of itself, running a redlight doesn't potentially endanger anyone. But you are debating a god-government worshipper messages. It's like trying to debate a Jehovah's Witness or a Moonie. You are defying god's laws. Not being 100% submissive to 1,000,000,000 pages of regulations and continuously monitored by computers and cameras makes you a wannabe murderer.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Why aren't you declaring breathlizers in every car? Alertness detectors and cell phone blockers? Why don't you voluntarily put those in your car? You WANT the right to get drunk and fall asleep while reading texts killing a school bus full of children? Why don't you care about innocent DEATH??!!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    It's not that simple at all. Why have you fixated on redlight cameras?
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Congratulations, you just blamed the victim. Fact check time: Almost all cases of rear-end collisions are legally the fault of the person in the rear. You don't wanna get in a rear-end collision? Then don't tailgate, and use your brakes.
    But the facts are that other people, often behind you, WILL tailgate, and if you want to avoid the hassle of dealing with car repair/replacement and possible death, you try to avoid braking hard while the bastards are behind you.
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    I asked you a question. What is your answer?
    That was my answer.
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    That was my answer.
    A dodge is not an answer. Is running a red light a right, a privilege, or neither?
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    But the facts are that other people, often behind you, WILL tailgate, and if you want to avoid the hassle of dealing with car repair/replacement and possible death, you try to avoid braking hard while the bastards are behind you.
    In this lawsuit-happy day and age, one would be crazy to tailgate like that. And for those that choose to, they'd better have excellent brakes...
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    A dodge is not an answer.
    I don't drive a Dodge. I drive a Ford.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Is running a red light a right, a privilege, or neither?
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    Last edited by Bob Blaylock; 10-15-13 at 03:41 AM. Reason: May the Ford be with you, always.
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    In this lawsuit-happy day and age, one would be crazy to tailgate like that. And for those that choose to, they'd better have excellent brakes...
    Everyone is crazy.

    Some realize it.

    Edit: also....

    And how does that counter my statement in any way.
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    If safety is the main concern and why cameras are being deployed, then why not just redesign intersections and roads to meet high safety standards? Why is the actual focus just on fining drivers?

    Speeding and running stop lights are actually subjective offences. Sometimes you drifted slightly over the speed limit, oops we all do it. Sometimes traffic conditions means that you were in the middle of the intersection when the light changed red, oops but it isnt like you just ran a red light. Cameras have zero tolerance for such small mistakes that 100% of drivers make. Its a rigged game designed to make revenue just like any traditional speed trap.

    Traffic enforcement camera's are not bullet proof accurate devices. Business owner casts reasonable doubt on accuracy of speed cameras - Washington Times

    How many of these tickets are bogus?

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    There are people who buy vintage cars to avoid those black boxes. I do think requiring all cars to have the ability to shut them down is going to be required for all new cars soon, and many already have it whether you know it or not.
    The thought has occurred to me.

    There are some other benefits as well. (Some) Older vehicles are simply cool. Plus, most older vehicles are easy to work on, and short from doing a complete tear down and rebuild I like to do some of my own maintenance and repairs when I can.


    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Yes:

    If you want total security, go to prison. There you're fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only thing lacking... is freedom.
    ...and even then you're not really safe. Prison is a dangerous place.


    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    If safety is the main concern and why cameras are being deployed, then why not just redesign intersections and roads to meet high safety standards? Why is the actual focus just on fining drivers?
    If traffic cameras are truly for safety, then the following would be in place... ALL appearances of impropriety and profit motive would be removed. That means fines would go into the general fund to be distributed and the private contractor operating the system would get a flat fee, the same $$$ whether their system issued 1 ticket or 1000 or 1,000,000. There should never... ever... be a profit motive in justice.
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    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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