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  • All cameras should be abolished

    50 49.50%
  • Abolish red light cameras only

    5 4.95%
  • Abolish speeding cameras only

    7 6.93%
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    28 27.72%
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I thought getting caught going 100mph over the speed limit was an automatic felony... fastest I have gone is 160mph in my friends Acura.
    It varies from state to state I suppose. She's a special case, so to speak, or so it seems.

    Did you FEEL like a felon while doing 160?

    When I was doing 140, it felt great but also was scary - scary at the prospect of getting caught. Yes, now speeding more than 20 over is treated like you are worse than a serial burglar or assailant. But it also is up to the officer's discretion whether or not to do anything about it.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post


    I assumed you were talking to me and didn't even look at the name...
    I do that alot myself!

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    All this talk about freedom, oppression, 4th Amendment, yadda yadda yadda is completely overlooking something vitally important.

    Life. As in, human life.

    Where is the discussion in this thread is the acknowledgement of the hundreds of human lives that are destroyed every year because someone chose to disobey a red light?

    Even those of you who don't want traffic laws enforced via traffic camera. Many of you have admitted that red light cameras reduce the risk of T-bone collisions, which are far more deadly than rear-end collisions.

    Those of you who show a nearly theocratic devotion to the Founding Fathers. Remember that phrase in the Declaration of Independence, "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness"? There's a real reason that life comes first. It's because NOTHING IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN LIFE ITSELF. NOTHING.

    So to those of you who choose to drive poorly and get a massive ticket as a result, cry me a river. Man up and pay the damn fine.


    Freedom is terrifying to some people such as you indicate in your message. THE safest place is in prison in solitary confinement. It would not be difficult for you to get yourself into such a safe setting.

    The "founding fathers" absolutely did NOT believe "nothing is more important than life itself." They declared nothing is more important that freedom, even life itself. That's why they went to war. War isn't "safe."

    Rear end accidents are one of the most common types of accidents that happen. In 2006, there were 1.8 million rear end accidents reported. This accounts for 29% of all of the injury crashes that occurred in the U.S.
    There are over 6 million car accidents that occur in the country every year and around 31% of these are rear end collisions.
    Rear-End Collisions: Statistics, Injuries and Prevention
    The National Safety Council claims it is over 2,500,000 rear end collisions each year.

    Redlight cameras - and those at few intersections - in cities where added increase accidents by 10 to 20 percent.


    "Man up" is such a stupid phrase.
    Last edited by joko104; 10-15-13 at 12:20 AM.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    All this talk about freedom, oppression, 4th Amendment, yadda yadda yadda is completely overlooking something vitally important.

    Life. As in, human life.

    “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” — Benjamin Franklin
    The five great lies of the Left Wrong:
    We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Freedom is terrifying to some people such as you indicate in your message. THE safest place is in prison in solitary confinement. It would not be difficult for you to get yourself into such a safe setting.

    The "founding fathers" absolutely did NOT believe "nothing is more important than life itself." They declared nothing is more important that freedom, even life itself. That's why they went to war. War isn't "safe."
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    "Man up" is such a stupid phrase.
    I don't know that it always is, but it certainly is, when it comes from someone who advocates sheepish submission to overbearing government and sacrificing liberty in exchange for an illusion of safety.
    The five great lies of the Left Wrong:
    We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    No. I generally speed.

    I support the idea of allowing police to use the black box to shut off engines of cars that refuse to pull over so that police chases are a thing of the past and innocent people stop getting hurt/killed though.
    There are people who buy vintage cars to avoid those black boxes. I do think requiring all cars to have the ability to shut them down is going to be required for all new cars soon, and many already have it whether you know it or not.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I don't know that it always is, but it certainly is, when it comes from someone who advocates sheepish submission to overbearing government and sacrificing liberty in exchange for an illusion of safety.
    LOL! I've seen that alot on the forum lately - that a person should "man up and submissively surrender" - an oxymoronic claim.
    Last edited by joko104; 10-15-13 at 01:37 AM.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” — Benjamin Franklin
    Yes:

    If you want total security, go to prison. There you're fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only thing lacking... is freedom.

    Dwight D. Eisenhower

    Read more at If you want total security, go to prison. There you're fed, clothed, given medical care... - Dwight D. Eisenhower at BrainyQuote

    This country needs another Eisenhower now, not another leftwing or rightwing ideology who doesn't know what the hell he's doing and governing like this is all is a fantasy pipedream.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” — Benjamin Franklin
    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I don't know that it always is, but it certainly is, when it comes from someone who advocates sheepish submission to overbearing government and sacrificing liberty in exchange for an illusion of safety.
    Do feel as if you have the right to run red lights AND not have the police do something about it AND potentially kill an innocent person in the process?
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    LOL! I've seen that alot on the forum lately - that a person should "man up and submissively surrender" - an oxymoronic claim.
    Indeed. To sheepishly submit to overbearing government, to willingly give up liberty in exchange for false safety, is the very opposite of what I understand the term “man up” to mean.
    The five great lies of the Left Wrong:
    We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

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