View Poll Results: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

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  • All cameras should be abolished

    50 49.50%
  • Abolish red light cameras only

    5 4.95%
  • Abolish speeding cameras only

    7 6.93%
  • Abolish other types of cameras only (specify)

    0 0%
  • Allow all cameras to remain in use

    28 27.72%
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    (Getting away from the traffic aspect a bit) We all break the law every day... and don't even know it.

    Three Felonies A Day: How the Feds Target the Innocent: Harvey Silverglate, Alan M. Dershowitz: 9781594035227: Amazon.com: Books
    I've often commented that we all are criminals due to a billion pages of laws. It's just a matter of who the government wants to get and a matter of luck.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    We didn't vote. I said vote in that I approve.



    We can. We can write our public officials to make a change. If they don't we vote them out of office.

    I think that CCTV and Red Light camera's are a good thing. I want them in public places (business districts).
    If the majority disagrees with me then use the power of the vote and I will live a life of sorrow.

    Do you support putting gps and wireless in all vehicles connected to their black boxes so everyone would receive tickets for every and all traffic violations?

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Do you support putting gps and wireless in all vehicles connected to their black boxes so everyone would receive tickets for every and all traffic violations?
    No. I generally speed.

    I support the idea of allowing police to use the black box to shut off engines of cars that refuse to pull over so that police chases are a thing of the past and innocent people stop getting hurt/killed though.
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Comunitee View Post
    I wouldn't mind the cameras so much if their flash-bulbs (or whatever they call their light-giving devices these days) weren't so bright. That quick flash really hurts the eyes, thus making it harder for good drivers to see, thus possibly causing accidents.
    Surprise flashing lights can startle people. Particularly older drivers.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Surprise flashing lights can startle people. Particularly older drivers.
    How does that relate?
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    No, it doesnt.
    "Sir, will you exit your vehicle?" "Why, we would like to look around real quick". "You got a warrant?" "No, why would I need one" "Its my right". "OK, turn around hands on our head, you will be transported to our office while the warrant is called in."It will take an hour or so".
    Before that, a dog will be called to hit on anything we find. If we find ANYTHING you will be charged immediatly. "but but..." "You have the right to remain silent. Keep that in mind".
    That sequence you describe would be the basis for a valid illegal arrest lawsuit. Arresting someone for asking a police officer if he has a search warrant would be an extreme example of official oppression and false arrest.
    If a dog "hits" on a house, that also is basis for a search warrant. You keep getting in wrong in your yearning for a police state totalitarian government. Glad you are not a "cop."

    We have been around these topics on other threads. It appears your priority in life is pride is in a personal dogmatic submissiveness to the government, authority and "the law." You rage that everyone should be as submissive a personality as you are and want everyone who isn't in prison. I am pragmatic about law in the sense of evaluating the risks and benefits of following and not following a law with a heavy preference towards personal liberty to do what I want to do.

    Thus, for example, in my past I went well out of my way to NOT use a weapon or to kill anyone as the penalties for doing so are very severe if caught. The potential penalty for harming someone but not fatally and without a weapon generally are trivial provided it was not in the commission of some other crime such as robbery.

    Personally, my speed in driving usually is based upon not impairing traffic as generally I tend to drive slow and well under the speed limit to enjoy the drive, private time or uninterrupted time with who is with me. I've been stopped twice in my life for "driving suspiciously slow," though not illegally slow. Once I was in a BiTurbo Maserati going 58 across Missouri on an empty Interstate highway in the wee hours of the morning. The officer said no one in a Maserati drives 58 unless they are under the influence of liquor or drugs or trying to hide something. He was wrong.

    My wife, generally, drives extremely fast because she believes the most valuable asset a person has is the time of their life which is irreplaceable. So a minute lost to driving slow is a minute of her life wasted. Plus she enjoys driving very fast anyway. I don't. Neither of us have ever gotten a ticket. She has been stopped many, many times for speeding in cars and boats, but never a ticket for many complex and unique reasons. The fastest I know of because I was along was 170 mph in the Southwest on a trip across the Southern desolate route from Florida to San Diego. She didn't get a ticket, but the officer chewed me out for "allowing her" to drive my (then) AMG/Renntech S65 that fast. The fastest I've ever drive was very recently, 140ish, and that just to test out a 200+mph capable car my wife got me for my birthday.
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    All this talk about freedom, oppression, 4th Amendment, yadda yadda yadda is completely overlooking something vitally important.

    Life. As in, human life.

    Where is the discussion in this thread is the acknowledgement of the hundreds of human lives that are destroyed every year because someone chose to disobey a red light?

    Even those of you who don't want traffic laws enforced via traffic camera. Many of you have admitted that red light cameras reduce the risk of T-bone collisions, which are far more deadly than rear-end collisions.

    Those of you who show a nearly theocratic devotion to the Founding Fathers. Remember that phrase in the Declaration of Independence, "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness"? There's a real reason that life comes first. It's because NOTHING IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN LIFE ITSELF. NOTHING.

    So to those of you who choose to drive poorly and get a massive ticket as a result, cry me a river. Man up and pay the damn fine.
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    How does that relate?
    It relates to my responding to a message of someone complaining of bright flashing redlight cameras.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    That sequence you describe would be the basis for a valid illegal arrest lawsuit. Arresting someone for asking a police officer if he has a search warrant would be an extreme example of official oppression and false arrest.
    If a dog "hits" on a house, that also is basis for a search warrant. You keep getting in wrong in your yearning for a police state totalitarian government. Glad you are not a "cop."

    We have been around these topics on other threads. It appears your priority in life is pride is in a personal dogmatic submissiveness to the government, authority and "the law." You rage that everyone should be as submissive a personality as you are and want everyone who isn't in prison. I am pragmatic about law in the sense of evaluating the risks and benefits of following and not following a law with a heavy preference towards personal liberty to do what I want to do.

    Thus, for example, in my past I went well out of my way to NOT use a weapon or to kill anyone as the penalties for doing so are very severe if caught. The potential penalty for harming someone but not fatally and without a weapon generally are trivial provided it was not in the commission of some other crime such as robbery.

    Personally, my speed in driving usually is based upon not impairing traffic as generally I tend to drive slow and well under the speed limit to enjoy the drive, private time or uninterrupted time with who is with me. I've been stopped twice in my life for "driving suspiciously slow," though not illegally slow. Once I was in a BiTurbo Maserati going 58 across Missouri on an empty Interstate highway in the wee hours of the morning. The officer said no one in a Maserati drives 58 unless they are under the influence of liquor or drugs or trying to hide something. He was wrong.

    My wife, generally, drives extremely fast because she believes the most valuable asset a person has is the time of their life which is irreplaceable. So a minute lost to driving slow is a minute of her life wasted. Plus she enjoys driving very fast anyway. I don't. Neither of us have ever gotten a ticket. She has been stopped many, many times for speeding in cars and boats, but never a ticket for many complex and unique reasons. The fastest I know of because I was along was 170 mph in the Southwest on a trip across the Southern desolate route from Florida to San Diego. She didn't get a ticket, but the officer chewed me out for "allowing her" to drive my (then) AMG/Renntech S65 that fast. The fastest I've ever drive was very recently, 140ish, and that just to test out a 200+mph capable car my wife got me for my birthday.
    I thought getting caught going 100mph over the speed limit was an automatic felony... fastest I have gone is 160mph in my friends Acura.
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    It relates to my responding to a message of someone complaining of bright flashing redlight cameras.


    I assumed you were talking to me and didn't even look at the name...
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldFatGuy View Post
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