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  • All cameras should be abolished

    50 49.50%
  • Abolish red light cameras only

    5 4.95%
  • Abolish speeding cameras only

    7 6.93%
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    28 27.72%
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I usually, but not always, fight tickets even if I know I'm guilty. Why? Because I have in the past been given a ticket and declared guilty when in fact I wasn't, but the LEO's testimony was given more credibility by the judge simply because he was a LEO.

    Petty? Vindictive? Yeah, probably. But, because the system is so unequal they're at least going to earn it.
    I'm not like that. I admit when I have done something wrong, particularly if I am caught or if someone else would take the blame for me.
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    I told you posted speed was 35 due to being a high traffic area. Only there is no traffic at 3am so "high traffic" area doesn't apply with one car on the road.
    I have often thought that signs and lights should be situational. For example, in your case, allowing 45 at 3am would be fine. Same with allowing a red light to be treated as a stop sign at 3am and the streets are otherwise empty. Why should I have to sit and wait for 2-3 minutes for the light to cycle when there's nobody else around?

    But, I always come back to the fact that too many people are friggen morons and this would actually cause more problems than its worth.
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I'm not like that. I admit when I have done something wrong, particularly if I am caught or if someone else would take the blame for me.
    In even-handed situations I'm the same way. I don't view our legal system as even-handed or fair. If I don't get the same courtesy from it, I feel no obligation to give them said courtesy.

    Note that I would NOT let someone else take the blame for me, though. I'm talking situations where it's just me.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    I told you posted speed was 35 due to being a high traffic area. Only there is no traffic at 3am so "high traffic" area doesn't apply with one car on the road.
    Posted speed is posted speed. Pay the ticket.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    In even-handed situations I'm the same way. I don't view our legal system as even-handed or fair. If I don't get the same courtesy from it, I feel no obligation to give them said courtesy.

    Note that I would NOT let someone else take the blame for me, though. I'm talking situations where it's just me.
    But you could be allowing someone to take the blame if you claim something less than truthful against what the cop says just simply to get out of the ticket. I'm not saying you would, but since you know you did something to break the law, I don't see how you couldn't.
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I have often thought that signs and lights should be situational. For example, in your case, allowing 45 at 3am would be fine. Same with allowing a red light to be treated as a stop sign at 3am and the streets are otherwise empty. Why should I have to sit and wait for 2-3 minutes for the light to cycle when there's nobody else around?

    But, I always come back to the fact that too many people are friggen morons and this would actually cause more problems than its worth.
    Used to be that way here in Oregon. The speed limit was a suggestion and you could argue that you were driving safety for the conditions at the time. Didn't work once we got bigger and imported more Californians.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I'm not like that. I admit when I have done something wrong, particularly if I am caught or if someone else would take the blame for me.
    Many vehicle laws are designed to generate revenue, not enhance safety. I don't have an issue with finding any way possible to get those dismissed.
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The government could easily require GPS and cellular to new cars black boxes, for which every traffic violation, ie criminal charge, could be mailed to each person each month - such as:
    Not legitimately.

    See the Fourth and Fifth Amendments. I happen to believe this this would also violate the true (but not obvious) intent of the Third Amendment as well, but that's another subject.
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Interstates were built specifically to the standard that military vehicles could travel 100 mph on them. That was the initial design parameter and military defense was the justification used by Eisenhower for the Interstate system.
    I'm given to understand that Eisenhower's inspiration for the Interstate Highway system came from the Autobahns in Germany, where there have long traditionally been no speed limits at all. Our Interstates were supposedly intended to be built to higher standards than the Autobahns. I don't know if he intended them to be unlimited, as the Autobahns are, but it was certainly intended that it should be safer to drive on them at high speeds than on the Autobahns.
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Comunitee View Post
    I wouldn't mind the cameras so much if their flash-bulbs (or whatever they call their light-giving devices these days) weren't so bright. That quick flash really hurts the eyes, thus making it harder for good drivers to see, thus possibly causing accidents.
    Agreed. I've had it happen a few times that I've been driving at night, and happened to be at the wrong place in an intersection when one of those red-light cameras went off, and was essentially blinded for several seconds as a result of the flash. On only one such occasion was I able to find anywhere to safely pull over until my vision recovered enough to be able once again to drive safely. On a few other occasions, I've been left with no choice but to drive blind for a few seconds, and hope I didn't run into something.

    These flashes ought not be necessary. Modern digital camera technology is good enough that a high-end model ought to easily be able to take an adequate picture in ambient light in a well-lit intersection.
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