View Poll Results: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

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  • All cameras should be abolished

    50 49.50%
  • Abolish red light cameras only

    5 4.95%
  • Abolish speeding cameras only

    7 6.93%
  • Abolish other types of cameras only (specify)

    0 0%
  • Allow all cameras to remain in use

    28 27.72%
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I do indeed. I am not responsible for ensuring I don't break the law. The law is responsible for ensuring I don't break the law. Wait.... I'm mixed up like a Trekkie at a Star Wars convention.
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    I voted that all cameras should be abolished on the premise that I believe their value is outweighed by their cost. In areas where the community strictly monitors the results of an intersection camera and only issues citations when actually warranted I am marginally ok with the presence of the cameras.

    However, I believe there is a big slippery slope involved with placing unmanned traffic enforcement at intersections and I don't think the benefit of safer intersections is worth the risk of increased & unnecessary enforcement.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by kerussll View Post
    How do they cause more accidents than they prevent?
    People getting scared when they see the flashing light?

    People slamming on their brakes to avoid running through the light?

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Most traffic enforcement cameras are operated by private companies who get a percentage of the fines paid. These companies are big political donors to politicians, especially Democrats.

    The standard rule of thumb ( did I just used a politically incorrect phrase, "rule of thumb" that the Obama administration has labeled to be a sexist term ? I guess I did.)
    But I digress.
    The rule of thumb is when a traffic signal changes from green to yellow before turning red, the yellow signal is suppose to be set for being illuminated one second for every 10 mph for what ever the maxim speed limit is.

    30 mph = 3 seconds.
    35 mph = 3.5 seconds.
    45 mph = 4.5 seconds.

    Here in California it was discovered that the Democrat controlled municipal governments in collusion with the companies that provided and operated the cameras changed the duration of the yellow signals usually from .5 to 1 second. The cameras will take a picture of any vehicle which has entered or passed the line with in 1/1000th of a second when the signal turned red.

    For stupid people. if you enter an intersection when the light is green or yellow and it turns red while your in the center or 3/4's of the intersection the camera takes your picture and you receive a $450 plus ticket in the mail.

    Many municipalities in So Cal discovered that any intersection that had these cameras saw a huge increase in accidents, mostly rear end accidents. Most drivers are aware of the cameras and as soon as they see the traffic signal turn yellow, they are in fear of running a yellow light and hit their breaks. BAM !

    But it goes further.
    The SEIU and the other public service employees unions love these cameras. They cause millions of dollars to flow into the municipal tax coffers so they can demand higher wages for government workers.
    You see them every day, the two city workers filling a pot hole while four other city workers supervise.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Starbuck View Post
    People getting scared when they see the flashing light?

    People slamming on their brakes to avoid running through the light?
    I could see that. Is there evidence to support it or is this just a theory?

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by kerussll View Post
    I could see that. Is there evidence to support it or is this just a theory?
    I suppose there could but, but for tonight it's just a theory based upon my experience.

    One of the roads near my house has cameras at every intersection and I've definitely see both behaviors.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Easy way to avoid tickets given because of traffic cameras. Don't break the law.
    There's an established precedent of corrupt local governments manipulating the traffic control devices, in order to trick motorists into breaking the law who otherwise would not. Best-known and most obvious is the practice of shortening the yellow-light duration at intersections where red-light cameras are installed.
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    There's an established precedent of corrupt local governments manipulating the traffic control devices, in order to trick motorists into breaking the law who otherwise would not. Best-known and most obvious is the practice of shortening the yellow-light duration at intersections where red-light cameras are installed.
    So, I suppose that means that the standard, "red means stop, green means go, yellow means go very fast" mindset would need to change. If you go through a red light, you get a ticket. A good rule of thumb with this issue would be to slow down when you see a yellow, not speed up.
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    So, I suppose that means that the standard, "red means stop, green means go, yellow means go very fast" mindset would need to change. If you go through a red light, you get a ticket. A good rule of thumb with this issue would be to slow down when you see a yellow, not speed up.
    Thing is though, if it is actually a safety hazard to have people running (or even barely missing the light), simply parking an empty cruiser by the intersection would do way more for safety, and no one needs to get a ticket.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    If we want to use common sense and logic, then any intersection or section of road that qualifies for cameras should instead have the signage and whatever else would curb such behavior done. Slapping a camera up hoping that people getting tickets will change their behavior is a fools errand.

    Better to build and mark the roadways properly rather than expect a camera to fix it. If a intersection is a problem access why it is a problem. If people regularly speed in a area put rumble strips on the road surface.

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