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  • All cameras should be abolished

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  • Abolish red light cameras only

    5 4.95%
  • Abolish speeding cameras only

    7 6.93%
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    28 27.72%
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    And the standards for no warrant searches are way different car vs home.
    In a home the reasonable suspision of bodily harm. In a car anything in plain view, any suspicious activity by the driver or passenger.
    You still have failed to answer my question. How many people have died in a true emergency from not speeding to a hospital?
    And just what do you want people to do if they are followed while speeding by a police officer? Just keep going? Hope they get to the hospital before being Pit-ed or blocked in?
    Just let them run red lights? Ignore school zones? Because they have an emergency? Is it really an emergency or just some over blown hypochondriac with a sore throat?
    Since your messages generally are about your wanting more government control and less freedom, it stands to reason you think the burden of proof is upon those opposing government restraints and imprisonments. I think the opposite. Regardless, you may be the only person who would allow someone to die because you would be unwilling to not come to complete stop at every stop sign and would not go over 25 while taking someone in life threatening medical trauma to the hospital. Since I doubt there are other people like you, there can't be any stats. That you WOULD let someone die to not commit a traffic offense should how totally devoted to government as you "God" that you are. You 'd let a child die rather than drive over 25 mph in a 25 mph zone. I suspect you are the only person who would.

    BUT there are millions and millions of speeding tickets. SO, by YOUR logic, you should be able to easily provide proof of how many people have died or been in accidents for going 80 to 85 in a 70 mph Interstate zone.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Driving is a privilege. Nothing about it is a right. Show me where in the constitution where its a right.
    Another nonsensical statement. Show me where breathing is a right in the constitution.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Sorry to hear that. Will the tickets go on your driving record?
    It doesn't effect my record that much. I hadn't been stopped and ticketed since 1986 prior to the DC trip.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    So you got to DC and forgot how to drive?
    No. I think getting a ticket for the 43 mph was a bit much since that was a sign specific to a high traffic area and at that time of night there is no traffic.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    The Fourth Amendment covers that. It does not apply to your car.
    One is a right the other a privilege.
    Yet the government cannot search your car without a warrant. Our rights still exist even when engaging in privileges.

    Our 6th Amendment rights to face our accuser are not altered just because we drive motorized vehicles on regulated road systems and are issued license to drive on those roads as a privilege.

    https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=h...pdf/07-591.pdf

    Mechanical devices are not perfect at all times. While the camera may show a vehicle in a intersection it may have not been a traffic violation at the time. Often traffic lights malfunction. It used to be that traffic lights were pretty reliable with only issues with bulbs going out or if the power is cut. Now with computer processors being used failures happen a lot more. SDOT review reveals traffic signals 'trending toward failure' | www.kirotv.com

    What defense do drivers have in determining if the ticket was valid or not?

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Since your messages generally are about your wanting more government control and less freedom, it stands to reason you think the burden of proof is upon those opposing government restraints and imprisonments. I think the opposite. Regardless, you may be the only person who would allow someone to die because you would be unwilling to not come to complete stop at every stop sign and would not go over 25 while taking someone in life threatening medical trauma to the hospital. Since I doubt there are other people like you, there can't be any stats. That you WOULD let someone die to not commit a traffic offense should how totally devoted to government as you "God" that you are. You 'd let a child die rather than drive over 25 mph in a 25 mph zone. I suspect you are the only person who would.

    BUT there are millions and millions of speeding tickets. SO, by YOUR logic, you should be able to easily provide proof of how many people have died or been in accidents for going 80 to 85 in a 70 mph Interstate zone.
    So, you have nothing to back your statement with? Good.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    And the standards for no warrant searches are way different car vs home.
    In a home the reasonable suspision of bodily harm. In a car anything in plain view, any suspicious activity by the driver or passenger.
    You still have failed to answer my question. How many people have died in a true emergency from not speeding to a hospital?
    And just what do you want people to do if they are followed while speeding by a police officer? Just keep going? Hope they get to the hospital before being Pit-ed or blocked in?
    Just let them run red lights? Ignore school zones? Because they have an emergency? Is it really an emergency or just some over blown hypochondriac with a sore throat?
    No the standards not different. If you let the police into your home without a warrant anything in plain sight is fair game. Even if you don't let him in anything he can see from the front door is fair game.
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    I wouldn't mind the cameras so much if their flash-bulbs (or whatever they call their light-giving devices these days) weren't so bright. That quick flash really hurts the eyes, thus making it harder for good drivers to see, thus possibly causing accidents.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    The Fourth Amendment covers that. It does not apply to your car.
    One is a right the other a privilege.
    The 4th amendment certainly applies to cars. There is no question about that.
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    Did you know that cameras cause more accidents than they prevent?
    How could this possibly be proven?

    I have no problem with the cameras or with funding a portion of the government through ticketing irresponsible drivers.

    If speed limits are unreasonable in a specific area, that might be a different story.
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