View Poll Results: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

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  • All cameras should be abolished

    50 49.50%
  • Abolish red light cameras only

    5 4.95%
  • Abolish speeding cameras only

    7 6.93%
  • Abolish other types of cameras only (specify)

    0 0%
  • Allow all cameras to remain in use

    28 27.72%
  • Other (specify)

    11 10.89%
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    nope not in most cases. 80 through a school zone-probably

    70 in a 55 on an interstate not at all

    45 in a 35 at certain times of day-not at all

    the stuff that constitutes depraved indifference can be charged as reckless driving.
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I think there's a bigger issue than that.

    Laws are supposed to be for the benefit of the people. We enact laws, and set up mechanism to enforce them, in the hopes that people will obey these laws, and by doing so, create a safer, more orderly society in which everyone's rights and everyone's legitimate interests are protected.

    Here, we have a situation where laws and enforcement mechanisms are set up in the hope that people will be caught violating them, so that government can use this as an excuse to fine them. The profit is motive, not safety or order. For government to take part in this sort of practice is pure corruption.
    I agree with everything you say here. That particular post of mine was just narrowly tailored to address the post I was responding to.
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    So what if you drunk drive safely?
    Not going to play that game. The highways in this country were designed to safely handle 70 MPH traffic. Decreasing speeds are based on revenue or in the time of Ford, "fuel conservation"
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    nope not in most cases. 80 through a school zone-probably

    70 in a 55 on an interstate not at all

    45 in a 35 at certain times of day-not at all

    the stuff that constitutes depraved indifference can be charged as reckless driving.
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Not going to play that game. The highways in this country were designed to safely handle 70 MPH traffic. Decreasing speeds are based on revenue or in the time of Ford, "fuel conservation"
    The cameras being discussed are at intersections, not on the highway. As I linked to, they have been shown to be at least somewhat effective in reducing "T bone" accidents which are the ones most likely to cause injury and fatalities. They do this because people are less likely to speed up through yellow lights or push through a just turned red light. Does that influence your comments at all?
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    re: Which "causes" (for lack of a better word) more accidents?

    I don't doubt that red-light cameras cause more accidents in the form of rear-end collisions, but those tend to be less severe than the t-bone accidents that usually go down when the cameras are present.

    This is not unlike pit bull defenders pointing out that chihuahuas bite more people each year than pit bulls. Sure, that's true if all you're counting is the number of bites. But, the damage done by the pit bull is a whole different story.

    Sometimes making these defenses and comparisons are only valid on the surface, if even then. They completely fall apart upon closer inspection.
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The cameras being discussed are at intersections, not on the highway. As I linked to, they have been shown to be at least somewhat effective in reducing "T bone" accidents which are the ones most likely to cause injury and fatalities. They do this because people are less likely to speed up through yellow lights or push through a just turned red light. Does that influence your comments at all?
    I was going on the poll. traffic enforcement cameras.

    I oppose all of the cameras based on the confrontation clause. as to deterrence-people who don't worry about being in an accident are going to worry about a ticket?
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I was going on the poll. traffic enforcement cameras.

    I oppose all of the cameras based on the confrontation clause. as to deterrence-people who don't worry about being in an accident are going to worry about a ticket?
    Apparently, yes, that is what the research shows.
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Apparently, yes, that is what the research shows.
    that doesn't influence my position

    I oppose traffic enforcement cameras
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Where would drunk driving fit under these?
    I sometimes wonder about such laws, actually.

    Laws against texting while driving, drinking while driving, cell phone use while driving....etc.
    Or laws against smoking in public places. Laws against jaywalking. Laws against any number of other behaviors.


    All of them seem, in a way, redundant. They're designed to add extra penalties to certain behaviors to dissuade people from doing them.

    But driving drunk could fall under any number of other laws. Attempted murder, perhaps. Or other stuff. I dunno the exact laws...
    Speeding beyond a certain point would fall under the same laws, in general. Also texting or cell-phone use while driving.

    Why are there so many laws that are so damned specific?
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

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