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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    They are EXTREMELY dangerous. There is NO standard for yellow-light time, so the only choice if a light turns yellow is to slam on your brakes. The last time in Tampa we were nearly rear ended and nearly rear ended another car due to signs advising of red-light cameras.

    Why not, instead, have GPS and cellular added to the black box of all cars - and then everyone could be mailed 10, 20, 50 tickets per month. Plus put tracking chips in people to detect jay walking.
    You are supposed to be slowing down to stop for a yellow light anyway, not going faster. And yes, there is a standard. There is a minimum a light has to remain yellow by law.
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    It is interesting to note that many of those who support traffic cameras are also those who vociferously defend their Constitutional rights... especially 2nd Amendment rights... yet are so willing and even happy to voluntarily forfeit their right to proper due process. We complain about the courts chipping away at our Constitutional rights, then we turn around and hand over some of them without a fight.
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    People who choose not to follow the law are the ones who complain the most about it.
    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Shouldn't those who claim to honor the intent of our system of due process also properly follow the law instead of seeking ways around it?
    I think there's a bigger issue than that.

    Laws are supposed to be for the benefit of the people. We enact laws, and set up mechanism to enforce them, in the hopes that people will obey these laws, and by doing so, create a safer, more orderly society in which everyone's rights and everyone's legitimate interests are protected.

    Here, we have a situation where laws and enforcement mechanisms are set up in the hope that people will be caught violating them, so that government can use this as an excuse to fine them. The profit is motive, not safety or order. For government to take part in this sort of practice is pure corruption.
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I've never had a license, so no, I've never contested any tickets before. .
    Well maybe some day a San Diego cop will issue you a ticket for crossing the street against the "don't walk" signal and you were already 1/4 the way across the street when the signal changed fron walk to don't walk.

    You'll ask the cop how much is this ticket going to cost me ? He'll tell you the fine is $45. So you decide to fight the ticket so you show up at the county court house. You are informed the fine is $45. and $150. court cost. $195. !!!

    You tell the court clerk bull ####, I want to plead not guilty and I want a trial. The clerk informs you that you have to post bail to go to trial. The bail will be equal to the fine plus $300 court cost. $345.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Most traffic enforcement cameras are operated by private companies who get a percentage of the fines paid. These companies are big political donors to politicians, especially Democrats.

    The standard rule of thumb ( did I just used a politically incorrect phrase, "rule of thumb" that the Obama administration has labeled to be a sexist term ? I guess I did.)
    But I digress.
    The rule of thumb is when a traffic signal changes from green to yellow before turning red, the yellow signal is suppose to be set for being illuminated one second for every 10 mph for what ever the maxim speed limit is.

    30 mph = 3 seconds.
    35 mph = 3.5 seconds.
    45 mph = 4.5 seconds.

    Here in California it was discovered that the Democrat controlled municipal governments in collusion with the companies that provided and operated the cameras changed the duration of the yellow signals usually from .5 to 1 second. The cameras will take a picture of any vehicle which has entered or passed the line with in 1/1000th of a second when the signal turned red.
    If those responsible for setting tragic light timing really cared about safety rather than revenue generation, there's something very obvious that I've noticed a a deficiency.

    I've never seen an intersection where the yellow light duration was adequate to insure that even if traffic stopped as it reasonably could in response to a yellow, that the intersection would be clear when the light turned red. At the same time that the light turns red, a conflicting light immediately turns green, possibly with the last one or two cars from the previous direction still in the intersection. It's common enough, when the light at which I am stopped turns green, for me to have to wait a second or two for the cross traffic to clear, before I start moving.

    Why don't they allow a few seconds, between the time one light turns red, and the next one turns green? Make sure cross traffic has had a reasonable chance to clear before the next traffic is allowed to move through. This simple, obvious change, would do much, much more to promote safety than anything that anyone can even think of claiming these red-light cameras could do.

    I think the answer, of course, is obvious. The change which I propose would do nothing to generate additional revenue for a corrupt city government.
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Well maybe some day a San Diego cop will issue you a ticket for crossing the street against the "don't walk" signal and you were already 1/4 the way across the street when the signal changed fron walk to don't walk.

    You'll ask the cop how much is this ticket going to cost me ? He'll tell you the fine is $45. So you decide to fight the ticket so you show up at the county court house. You are informed the fine is $45. and $150. court cost. $195. !!!

    You tell the court clerk bull ####, I want to plead not guilty and I want a trial. The clerk informs you that you have to post bail to go to trial. The bail will be equal to the fine plus $300 court cost. $345.
    Since I don't do that, it won't happen. I obey the laws. In fact, I get quite pissed when I see people cross the street in the middle of traffic. Living in Hawaii, I saw way too many instances where people were or almost were hit by cars. I was hit by a car while 5 months pregnant that wasn't looking while leaving a parking lot, then he yelled at me and drove away. I was almost hit by a bus there that decided it didn't have to stop for a red light. And the red light was not even close to yellow. I could see the walk signal on the other side before the bus blew right through. I expect people to obey traffic laws to the absolute best of their ability.

    Oh, and you apparently have no idea how pedestrian laws work. As long as the walk is up there when you start to cross, they cannot give you a ticket for jaywalking, no matter if the blinking hand or don't walk is up (provided you are not purposely holding up traffic).

    You are the one not providing anything to back it up. You aren't even providing me information about it. Not all tickets are $100.
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Supreme Court ruling on redlight and speeding cameras:

    US Supreme Court Upsets Speed Camera Industry

    However, in real terms it is all but impossible for most people to contest a traffic ticket. Most courts will require you appear 2 or 3 times, and those who are pleading not-guilty often are made to sit in court all day - then to be told the case dismissed because the officer didn't appear. But most working people can't take 2 or 3 days off work - and even if so will lose more pay than the ticket costs.

    And that assumes an in-town ticket. If you are traveling and out of state, it is essentially impossible to contest a ticket unless you are willing and able to fly/travel to the city 2 or 3 times - and then you better get a jury trial as municipal judges particularly are employees of the local government.

    Control freaks who want the government to watch and regulate everyone about everything all the time simplify the issue to their presumption that everyone accused is guilty, that laws are perfect and the robo-cops can't make mistakes. I've commented on how easy it would be to set anyone up for endlessly more tickets and computer cops do make mistakes - such as those people who get bills for tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars in toll fees for a computer glitch.

    Redlight and speeding camera systems are nearly or entirely computer systems down to the mailing of the tickets. Traffic tickets are CRIMINAL cases for which a person can be arrested and jailed - solely because a computer says someone in a car that seems to have your license plate committed a traffic offense as a computer printout.

    These robo-cops are basically fully automated and run by non-law enforcement for-profit companies that take a percentage of each ticket. Often they are out of state companies with no one available to verify anything under oath or cross examination. There is no incentive for accuracy nor any safeguards. In short, a non-law enforcement company provides unverified computer data declaring you a criminal for which there is no realistic way to contest or even have a trial without hundreds or thousands of dollars in expenses even if you win. But paranoid, control freaks who want total government control of everyone don't care about any of that. They don't leave their houses much and don't want anyone else to do so either in my opinion.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You are supposed to be slowing down to stop for a yellow light anyway, not going faster. And yes, there is a standard. There is a minimum a light has to remain yellow by law.
    The only option with redlight cameras is to slam on your brakes if the light turns yellow unless you are already in the intersection. Since all cars are supposed to be far enough back to stop if the car in front slams on their brakes then doing slamming on the brakes is the correct legal course of action. That is what we do if we see a redlight camera and the light turns yellow before we enter the intersection. Regardless, we have insurance. If someone slams into the back of us then they have to pay for the damages as obviously they should be far enough back and attentive enough to stop. Hopefully their vehicle has as much safety equipment and as good of brakes as ours do.

    We are not going to risk getting a mailed-ticket because municipal government has decided to make people decide between safety and getting a ticket. If the municipal government has decided to endanger peoples' lives for ticket profits, that's their decision. There are other instances where I see people deliberately endangered by law enforcement/the legal system for the purpose of trying to get traffic ticket money.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Every study shows that redlight cameras dramatically increase the number of accidents.

    Red-Light Cameras Increase Accidents: 5 Studies That Prove It

    But some municipal governments would kill and criminal any number of people to get more money for themselves - and people who want control-freak government will always support any thuggery by government.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Supreme Court ruling on redlight and speeding cameras:

    US Supreme Court Upsets Speed Camera Industry

    However, in real terms it is all but impossible for most people to contest a traffic ticket. Most courts will require you appear 2 or 3 times, and those who are pleading not-guilty often are made to sit in court all day - then to be told the case dismissed because the officer didn't appear. But most working people can't take 2 or 3 days off work - and even if so will lose more pay than the ticket costs.

    And that assumes an in-town ticket. If you are traveling and out of state, it is essentially impossible to contest a ticket unless you are willing and able to fly/travel to the city 2 or 3 times - and then you better get a jury trial as municipal judges particularly are employees of the local government.

    Control freaks who want the government to watch and regulate everyone about everything all the time simplify the issue to their presumption that everyone accused is guilty, that laws are perfect and the robo-cops can't make mistakes. I've commented on how easy it would be to set anyone up for endlessly more tickets and computer cops do make mistakes - such as those people who get bills for tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars in toll fees for a computer glitch.

    Redlight and speeding camera systems are nearly or entirely computer systems down to the mailing of the tickets. Traffic tickets are CRIMINAL cases for which a person can be arrested and jailed - solely because a computer says someone in a car that seems to have your license plate committed a traffic offense as a computer printout.

    These robo-cops are basically fully automated and run by non-law enforcement for-profit companies that take a percentage of each ticket. Often they are out of state companies with no one available to verify anything under oath or cross examination. There is no incentive for accuracy nor any safeguards. In short, a non-law enforcement company provides unverified computer data declaring you a criminal for which there is no realistic way to contest or even have a trial without hundreds or thousands of dollars in expenses even if you win. But paranoid, control freaks who want total government control of everyone don't care about any of that. They don't leave their houses much and don't want anyone else to do so either in my opinion.
    Do you ever get your facts right? The case was not about red light cameras, as your scource clearly states if you had actually read it. The case was about lab analysis of drug evidence. While the ruling may impact red light camera cases in that those who certify them can be called as witnesses, it is not about them.

    Most of the rest of your hyperbole ridden post is just hilariously stupid. You clearly have no clue as to the motivations of others.
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