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  • All cameras should be abolished

    50 49.50%
  • Abolish red light cameras only

    5 4.95%
  • Abolish speeding cameras only

    7 6.93%
  • Abolish other types of cameras only (specify)

    0 0%
  • Allow all cameras to remain in use

    28 27.72%
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    These traffic enforcement cameras are actually private sector companies who run and operate them. Big time political contibutors.
    Here in California a law enforcement officer will review the photo and or sign off or reject it. Most of the time they sign off on the photo and you get a ticket in the mail.

    If you want to fight the ticket in the Great Socialist State of California, you have to post bail before you can even show up in court to plead not guilty and challenge the ticket. The bail is the fine and court cost if you are found guilty. A $100 ticket with a $350 court cost, it cost you in cash $450 to fight the ticket.

    You have to pay the fine and court cost before you can contest the ticket.

    If you do prevail and are found not guilty, you'll get a check in the mail returning your bail, 3 to 6 months down the road.

    That's why I love Mexifornia so much. California didn't pull this #### thirtyfive years ago.
    You obviously don't know a whole lot about this state of yours. California is one of the leading states in taking down red light cameras. Many of the major cities, including LA and San Diego, have already stopped using them. And there was just a ruling from the state appellate court restricting greatly how much the camera could be used in convicting someone of running a red light, basically saying they would need more. And I cannot find anything at all that says you have to pay to fight a red light ticket. Can you provide anything to support this?

    Dan Walters: Red-light cameras under siege in California - Dan Walters - The Sacramento Bee
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    People who choose not to follow the law are the ones who complain the most about it.
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    People who choose not to follow the law are the ones who complain the most about it.
    Shouldn't those who claim to honor the intent of our system of due process also properly follow the law instead of seeking ways around it?
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You obviously don't know a whole lot about this state of yours. California is one of the leading states in taking down red light cameras. Many of the major cities, including LA and San Diego, have already stopped using them. And there was just a ruling from the state appellate court restricting greatly how much the camera could be used in convicting someone of running a red light, basically saying they would need more. And I cannot find anything at all that says you have to pay to fight a red light ticket. Can you provide anything to support this?

    Dan Walters: Red-light cameras under siege in California - Dan Walters - The Sacramento Bee
    Show me exactly where I don't know a whole lot about Mexifornia.

    You never contested a traffic ticket before ?

    If you are issued a ticket you don't show up in a court room in California but stand in a long line at the county court clerks office to either pay your fine or post bail so you can face a judge and plead not guilty and ask for a trial.

    The bail equals the fine and court cost. The court cost usually being many times more than the fine. If you want to contest the ticket and go to trial, the court cost increases.

    It's a racket. It's someones idea to make it to expensive for someone to fight a ticket. It's cheaper to just pay the fine instead of missing two days of work. If you fight a ticket and lose in the court room, the fine is still the same but the court cost is higher than if you just paid the fine and court cost in the begaining.

    As for the "Capital of the Third World" aka Los Angeles. The "do as I say not as I do" leftist on the city council proved that they were a bunch of hypocrites. You may remember that the Los Angeles city council don't believe that elected officials or any government agency should uphold and defend the Constitution or that any state should enforce federal laws.

    So when the State of Arizona decided to uphold the Constitution and enforce the law the liberals in California had a meltdown. Los Angeles went even further, they boycotted doing business with any company located in Arizona. But as usual, liberals never take the time to think what will be the consequences.

    Los Angeles City Council Makes Exemption to Arizona Boycott for Lucrative Traffic Camera Contract

    >" Los Angeles council members voted Wednesday to make an exemption to its self-imposed boycott of Arizona, opting to extend a contract with an Arizona-based company that operates enforcement cameras at Los Angeles intersections -- a program that earned the city $6 million last year.

    Los Angeles has led the boycott against Arizona over its controversial immigration law, banning most city travel to the state as well as future contracts with Arizona companies. The city council has argued that the law, which allows local law enforcement to check the immigration status of any suspected illegal, is unconstitutional and could lead to racial profiling.

    But council members on Wednesday made an exception to their boycott, voting to extend a lucrative contract with red-light camera operator American Traffic Solutions, based in Scottsdale..."<

    continue -> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...amera-dispute/

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    I think automated fine-generation devices in general should be abolished. Humans should have to observe, document, and charge the offense.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    They are EXTREMELY dangerous. There is NO standard for yellow-light time, so the only choice if a light turns yellow is to slam on your brakes. The last time in Tampa we were nearly rear ended and nearly rear ended another car due to signs advising of red-light cameras.

    Why not, instead, have GPS and cellular added to the black box of all cars - and then everyone could be mailed 10, 20, 50 tickets per month. Plus put tracking chips in people to detect jay walking.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Why not, instead, have GPS and cellular added to the black box of all cars - and then everyone could be mailed 10, 20, 50 tickets per month. Plus put tracking chips in people to detect jay walking.
    Why even do that? If we're willing to assign tickets/fines to the owner of a vehicle without know or caring who the actual driver was, why don't we just send everybody a ticket? I don't care who you are, if you drove, you violated a traffic law at some point.
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    People who choose not to follow the law are the ones who complain the most about it.
    There are people who want the government watching everything they do to protect them from themselves. There are always people who hate and fear freedom, other people and even themselves. Those people essentially declare the government is their "God" and therefore "laws" are the will of their god.

    I seriously doubt the American revolution was not due to colonists being outraged that the King of England wasn't regulating and policing them enough. It amazes me how many Americans now rage against personal freedom and privacy on behalf of wanting an all-seeing police state.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    DC made quite a bit of money off of us on our last trip. We had several tickets in the mailbox awaiting our arrival home. All were done with cameras (they showed the shots) done in the wee hours in the morning as we were arriving. I think we had a few bad turns due to being unfamiliar with the roads. One was saying we went over the speed limit which was 35 miles an hour (we were going 43) because there were virtually no cars out on the road at 3 am. I won't be going back again if I can help it. A little common sense would be nice.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Show me exactly where I don't know a whole lot about Mexifornia.

    You never contested a traffic ticket before ?

    If you are issued a ticket you don't show up in a court room in California but stand in a long line at the county court clerks office to either pay your fine or post bail so you can face a judge and plead not guilty and ask for a trial.

    The bail equals the fine and court cost. The court cost usually being many times more than the fine. If you want to contest the ticket and go to trial, the court cost increases.

    It's a racket. It's someones idea to make it to expensive for someone to fight a ticket. It's cheaper to just pay the fine instead of missing two days of work. If you fight a ticket and lose in the court room, the fine is still the same but the court cost is higher than if you just paid the fine and court cost in the begaining.

    As for the "Capital of the Third World" aka Los Angeles. The "do as I say not as I do" leftist on the city council proved that they were a bunch of hypocrites. You may remember that the Los Angeles city council don't believe that elected officials or any government agency should uphold and defend the Constitution or that any state should enforce federal laws.

    So when the State of Arizona decided to uphold the Constitution and enforce the law the liberals in California had a meltdown. Los Angeles went even further, they boycotted doing business with any company located in Arizona. But as usual, liberals never take the time to think what will be the consequences.

    Los Angeles City Council Makes Exemption to Arizona Boycott for Lucrative Traffic Camera Contract

    >" Los Angeles council members voted Wednesday to make an exemption to its self-imposed boycott of Arizona, opting to extend a contract with an Arizona-based company that operates enforcement cameras at Los Angeles intersections -- a program that earned the city $6 million last year.

    Los Angeles has led the boycott against Arizona over its controversial immigration law, banning most city travel to the state as well as future contracts with Arizona companies. The city council has argued that the law, which allows local law enforcement to check the immigration status of any suspected illegal, is unconstitutional and could lead to racial profiling.

    But council members on Wednesday made an exception to their boycott, voting to extend a lucrative contract with red-light camera operator American Traffic Solutions, based in Scottsdale..."<

    continue -> Los Angeles City Council Makes Exemption to Arizona Boycott for Lucrative Traffic Camera Contract | Fox News
    I've never had a license, so no, I've never contested any tickets before. This is why I asked for actual evidence, not simple anecdotal accounts because it could just be your experience with your area, not how it works across California or even in most places. And even if it did work that way here, is that different than everywhere else or most other places?

    And that was in 2010. I provided evidence that much of California and especially its major cities, have stopped using red light cameras. And the case was after 2010 as well.
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