View Poll Results: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

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  • All cameras should be abolished

    50 49.50%
  • Abolish red light cameras only

    5 4.95%
  • Abolish speeding cameras only

    7 6.93%
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    0 0%
  • Allow all cameras to remain in use

    28 27.72%
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    Are you aware that traffic enforcement cameras are designed primarily to steal people's money rather than enhance safety?

    Did you know that the yellow on many intersections on major highways is set at the minimum legal limit of three seconds--inadequate most of the time?

    Did you know that cameras cause more accidents than they prevent?

    Would you like to abolish any of these?

    Do you have many cameras in your neighborhood?

    Have you received any (or many) tickets from cameras?
    A rather infantile attitude, IMO.
    But, feel not bad, I was the same up to age 50 or so....
    I do believe , now more tan ever, that the cameras are designed to save lives..
    Pollyanna ?
    yes....but where is mans faith ....in his fellow man ?
    BTW, no camera has ever "caught" me.....I'll always be human.....

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Hooooooooooooooo boy !
    Have the conservative/libertarian/extremists ever taken hold of this one !
    Or, we have too many Javerts...

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Starbuck View Post
    This is all very true, although I feel that the perception of lead poisoning is disproportionate to the actual danger of lead poisoning.



    I must've missed that and this being a relatively short thread, I should probably go back and reread through it. For the life of me I can hardly remember how we got onto the subject of lead bullets anyway.
    lol We were thinking about shooting out some cameras (I think).

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Starbuck View Post
    So you are saying that dangerous traffic violations are not criminal?

    If that is the case, why should someone have to pay in excess of $400 when they fail to completely stop at an intersection?
    Because the potential for accidents is high. So it is a public service (deterrent) and a revenue producer all rolled in one. Damn, I love me a twofer.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    local judges have struck down speed cameras in Hamilton county ohio's "Elmwood Place" an obscure little area that used these things purely for revenue enhancement.

    they violate the right to confront one's accusers. They are not designed to enhance safety anymore than podunk villages that say have 400 yards of I-75 running through their territory and using that as a speed trap excuse (by dropping the speed down to 55 from 65 MPH)



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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Because the potential for accidents is high. So it is a public service (deterrent) and a revenue producer all rolled in one. Damn, I love me a twofer.
    that's nonsense. I was a municipal prosecutor for several years. That is complete BS.



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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that's nonsense. I was a municipal prosecutor for several years. That is complete BS.
    I can only tell you my personal experience. And frankly, I am a much more observant driver.

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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    I can only tell you my personal experience. And frankly, I am a much more observant driver.
    good for you but that is no argument for what is pure revenue devices. I also can tell you that municipalities on state routes that are alternatives to big interstates often make their traffic light patterns as annoying as possible in order to prevent people from using said state route as an alternative when the Interstate is paralyzed by a wreck. In other cases, these municipalities set their lights in order to create as many violations as possible

    I don't have much use for the EPA but I wonder why the EPA doesn't crush villages that do that kind of crap since it greatly increases air pollution from cars to have cars hitting every red light possible on a state route



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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    good for you but that is no argument for what is pure revenue devices. I also can tell you that municipalities on state routes that are alternatives to big interstates often make their traffic light patterns as annoying as possible in order to prevent people from using said state route as an alternative when the Interstate is paralyzed by a wreck. In other cases, these municipalities set their lights in order to create as many violations as possible

    I don't have much use for the EPA but I wonder why the EPA doesn't crush villages that do that kind of crap since it greatly increases air pollution from cars to have cars hitting every red light possible on a state route

    It's odd, now that you mention it, that I've never thought before to suspect that such motives may be behind some of the traffic control issues here n Sacramento.

    We do, of course, have the infamous red-light cameras, along with all the issues that they create.

    But there are some things with the way lights are timed that have always seemed irrational.

    The simplest and most obvious is a stretch of road that I used to drive on my way home from work—21st Street going from Broadway to H Street. The posted speed limit is 25 MPH, and if you drive that speed, you'll have to stop at every intersection for a red light; each light you stop at will turn green just in time for you to see the next one turning red. If you drive 40 MPH, you'll be perfectly-timed with the lights; once you go through one green, every other light will be turning green just as you reach it. I've never been stopped for speeding along this stretch, but any evening, they could nail a lot of “speeders” along that stretch if they had the cops in place to do so; as nobody is willingly going to drive at a speed that causes them to have to stop at every intersection in preference to a speed that has them stopping at none.
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    Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    God forbid that law enforcement should display some sort of... oh, I don't know... integrity, or anything.
    These traffic enforcement cameras are actually private sector companies who run and operate them. Big time political contibutors.
    Here in California a law enforcement officer will review the photo and or sign off or reject it. Most of the time they sign off on the photo and you get a ticket in the mail.

    If you want to fight the ticket in the Great Socialist State of California, you have to post bail before you can even show up in court to plead not guilty and challenge the ticket. The bail is the fine and court cost if you are found guilty. A $100 ticket with a $350 court cost, it cost you in cash $450 to fight the ticket.

    You have to pay the fine and court cost before you can contest the ticket.

    If you do prevail and are found not guilty, you'll get a check in the mail returning your bail, 3 to 6 months down the road.

    That's why I love Mexifornia so much. California didn't pull this #### thirtyfive years ago.

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