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    re: Could George W Bush Mediate the Impasse?[W:93]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    One never really knows if a person was properly awarded admission or not until they prove themselves in life that they were indeed worthy. Barack Obama - by his amazing success in life coming from rather humble beginnings - has without any doubt proved his admission to Harvard was right and proper.

    But all this could be a thing of the past if we only decided that only the highest scoring applicants with the best High School GPA's were to be admitted to all colleges and all other criteria would be irrelevant and not considered.

    Do you support that Turtle.
    that's crap and you know it. what counts is what you had when you were offered admission. Using your silly standards, every first round draft pick who doesn't end up being all pro should have never been selected. Worship Obama if you want-I see his "success" as hardly indicative of what is good in America. He used a corrupt judge to get rid of the guy who was going to beat him in the General senate election in Illinois after equally dirty tricks were used to advance him past more established dem rivals in the primary.

    what he became has no relevance to his admission to harvard

    but thanks for admitting what is obvious, he didn't have what would have been needed by a white man to get into harvard when he did. If he did you wouldn't be spewing this nonsense that what he did a couple decades later justifies an affirmative action decision much earlier



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    re: Could George W Bush Mediate the Impasse?[W:93]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are lying. more than half of Andover went to Yale Princeton or Harvard that year. Obama got into Columbia and Harvard because he was black. He didn't get into Harvard Law on Merit. he didn't even make a 3.4 average at Columbia. I never heard of a white getting into Harvard law back when that mattered to me getting into Harvard Law from yale with anything less than a 3.7 average. In fact, when I met with the admissions director of HLS, she noted that if you didn't have at least a 3.6 don't bother applying. So Obama was an affirmative action recipient. Same with Columbia
    Obama got into Columbia because he applied and was accepted. He got into Harvard Law because he did well at Columbia. He got where he got on merit, something you clearly don't understand, because you don't have any.

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    re: Could George W Bush Mediate the Impasse?[W:93]

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    Re: Could George W Bush Mediate the Impasse?[W:93]

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    Technically Congress authorizes the spending, the President spends the money until he has to borrow, then Congress tells him he can borrow it. I know, it's f***** up.
    Yep! Got to do something about that. No more borrowing for a while?

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    Re: Could George W Bush Mediate the Impasse?[W:93]

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Yep! Got to do something about that. No more borrowing for a while?
    I don't think it's that simple.

    I see similarities between the national debt and global warming. Like the debt, global warming gets worse over time. Global warming activists might like it if we cut out emissions today so that the trend doesn't continue, but it is logistically impossible and would hobble society to cut down our energy uses that much before we have a replacement for fossil fuels. You'd be asking people to give up cars, planes, power, and lots of other things that contribute to the problem. It would be crazy to do that. The way to combat global warming is a gradual process: first slow down emissions, then introduce new energy sources, and then replace the old with the new.

    Debt activists have the same urgency that environmentalists have, but about our debt. It's at something like $17 trillion and grows every year we have a deficit, which is basically every year. It seems obvious to say that we just cut out all expenses that we can't afford, but what would that really do? Our annual budget is around $4T, and the deficit is around $1T, meaning we are only collecting about $3T in taxes. To balance the budget today we would have to cut about 25% of our expenses immediately. It's hard to explain how impossible that would be; it would basically be like this current shutdown, but permanently. Even the hated sequester only makes the same amount of cuts over 8 years. And balancing the budget would only stop borrowing, not stop the debt from increasing due to interest.

    Removing for a second the chance that tax revenues would be affected, if we wanted to completely eliminate the debt as fast as possible, we could cut the budget to basically $0 and it would still take more than four years before we pay down our debt. So cutting spending is not the only solution. We need to figure out instead how to grow our economy and tax revenues. You do that through policy changes and planning, not gutting expenditures.

    Both cases are the results of choices that go back decades, and both are long term problems that deserve workable long term solutions.
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    Re: Could George W Bush Mediate the Impasse?[W:93]

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    I don't think it's that simple.

    I see similarities between the national debt and global warming. Like the debt, global warming gets worse over time. Global warming activists might like it if we cut out emissions today so that the trend doesn't continue, but it is logistically impossible and would hobble society to cut down our energy uses that much before we have a replacement for fossil fuels. You'd be asking people to give up cars, planes, power, and lots of other things that contribute to the problem. It would be crazy to do that. The way to combat global warming is a gradual process: first slow down emissions, then introduce new energy sources, and then replace the old with the new.

    Debt activists have the same urgency that environmentalists have, but about our debt. It's at something like $17 trillion and grows every year we have a deficit, which is basically every year. It seems obvious to say that we just cut out all expenses that we can't afford, but what would that really do? Our annual budget is around $4T, and the deficit is around $1T, meaning we are only collecting about $3T in taxes. To balance the budget today we would have to cut about 25% of our expenses immediately. It's hard to explain how impossible that would be; it would basically be like this current shutdown, but permanently. Even the hated sequester only makes the same amount of cuts over 8 years. And balancing the budget would only stop borrowing, not stop the debt from increasing due to interest.

    Removing for a second the chance that tax revenues would be affected, if we wanted to completely eliminate the debt as fast as possible, we could cut the budget to basically $0 and it would still take more than four years before we pay down our debt. So cutting spending is not the only solution. We need to figure out instead how to grow our economy and tax revenues. You do that through policy changes and planning, not gutting expenditures.

    Both cases are the results of choices that go back decades, and both are long term problems that deserve workable long term solutions.
    You are absolutely right that there are similarities to global warming. There are however a few major differences. The most important ones I see are that we are approaching the point, where the consequences are becoming highly dangerous to us in the very near future and could spin out of control suddenly like they did with Lehman. The other is that we are close enough to this happening, that it was irresponsible to continue making deficits at the present rate and install a program that will initially increase spending and reduce economic activity.
    Now this does not mean that I was totally against trying to get the economy running again after 2008. But that is a long time ago and Obama was not capable of getting other nations to shoulder part of the responsibility. He also did not reduce the deficit. But that was his job description and he said he could.

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    Re: Could George W Bush Mediate the Impasse?[W:93]

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    You are absolutely right that there are similarities to global warming. There are however a few major differences. The most important ones I see are that we are approaching the point, where the consequences are becoming highly dangerous to us in the very near future and could spin out of control suddenly like they did with Lehman. The other is that we are close enough to this happening, that it was irresponsible to continue making deficits at the present rate and install a program that will initially increase spending and reduce economic activity.
    Now this does not mean that I was totally against trying to get the economy running again after 2008. But that is a long time ago and Obama was not capable of getting other nations to shoulder part of the responsibility. He also did not reduce the deficit. But that was his job description and he said he could.
    Well put, but I still think global warming is as much or more important an issue to tackle than our debt, thinking in the long term. And taxes could take a huge dent out of the deficit if it were ever be politically acceptable. In general, the debt seems much more manageable in the next couple decades.
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    Re: Could George W Bush Mediate the Impasse?[W:93]

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    Well put, but I still think global warming is as much or more important an issue to tackle than our debt, thinking in the long term. And taxes could take a huge dent out of the deficit if it were ever be politically acceptable. In general, the debt seems much more manageable in the next couple decades.
    Really? You think it is much more important to work on global warming, which is a long term goal, long term being thousands of years, instead of the debt which will kill the country in a very short time span? Really?

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    Re: Could George W Bush Mediate the Impasse?[W:93]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Really? You think it is much more important to work on global warming, which is a long term goal, long term being thousands of years, instead of the debt which will kill the country in a very short time span? Really?
    Yes, and it's not going to be a thousand years before it affects our safety and economy, it has already begun and projections for the end of the century are around a 3 foot sea level rise. Really, you have to place yourself 500 years from now and think about how history remembers our generation. If we failed at curbing global warming because people wanted jobs, that will seem like the height of hubris, akin to the natives on Easter Island tearing down all their trees for use in constructing idols.

    The good thing is that fixing climate change and improving our economy can go hand in hand if we really pursue green energy.
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    Re: Could George W Bush Mediate the Impasse?[W:93]

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    Really, you have to place yourself 500 years from now and think about how history remembers our generation. If we failed at curbing global warming because people wanted jobs.
    I like the 500, but I prefer the 100 years, like when the Car--Plane--were invented around 1900, 1800 when our Country was taking off..
    I liked to ask that question of students: What will we be like in 2100..I push for Mandatory Recycling and No more Garbage..
    I see 2100 digging up our landfills and using them.
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