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Thread: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    The point is that a lot of people don't feel right honoring a person like that with a national holiday.
    How about: "America is worse than Nazi Germany Day"? We could burn Tea Party Patriots at the stake?

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    I see no problem with getting rid of Columbus Day.
    I do have a problem with replacing it with something else.

    So I can't vote in the poll because that option doesn't exist.

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    Maybe they should rename it Native American Day...
    Without some background that could be very ironic!
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    I think we should probably get rid of the holiday just as soon as we give the natives their continent back. Until then, it's kind of a hollow gesture.
    Yeah, you are planning to do that on the 3rd of Thursday right?
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    I think having a natives day may imply that there should also be settlers day. Then settlers day is divided to those who ventured to find freedom in what would be "America" and those who found slavery there (e.g., African Americans).

    So then from settlers there should be "Free Settlers Day" and "Enslaved Settlers Day." Each should be respected just like the "Natives Day" so as then to capture each "parties" day and celebrate it in a historically accurate manner.

    I think it would be interesting to see how would these days develop. Would the natives celebrate "Enslaved Day" together with African Americans? They were enslaved too?

    What would white Europeans do on such a day? Would joining their celebrations with cookies to remedy the damage be enough? How would red natives and the black enslaved look and treat the free white in such parties? Would natives and blacks join "Free Settlers Day" and celebrate their historical demise joyfully?

    It may be conflicting but at least it would be honest. Natives get enslaved from foreign black slaves for the "freedom" of white Europeans that conquered America. That is the premise that candidates for celebration day if you ask me.
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by AngryOldGuy View Post
    How about: "America is worse than Nazi Germany Day"? We could burn Tea Party Patriots at the stake?
    How about if you actually participate in a discussion instead of making dumb comments?

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    What is not necessarily so? That they would have evolved or their people revolted? Well of course that is not what happened, so it is conjecture....
    Well, you ARE the one who said it.

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    Sorry..Italian......
    That's doesn't explain why you purposefully misspelled it several times in this thread. Perhaps that's a bit of your own bigotry rearing it's ugly head?

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Not entirely likely. We have been disillusioned with Thomas Jefferson for about 60 years now, and about 30-40 for the public. Jefferson's public icon image is still going strong, regardless.

    That being said, I have no problems with creating a national holiday to celebrate Native American culture. The truth of the matter is, MLK Day doesn't somehow intellectually cause a problem for Americans that also celebrate the 4th of July. This is despite the implication that most of those individuals did not conceptualize their message of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness for African Americans. The public incorporates both holidays without contradiction, either consciously or out of ignorance. Regardless of that, it builds nationalism, and I am all for limited myth making in the pursuit of national unity.
    Agreed. I wouldn't be at all opposed to the idea of a separate federal holiday centered around Native Americans. I'm actually kind of surprised that we don't have one already.

    I was simply saying that I opposed Juanita's idea of replacing Columbus Day entirely with what would essentially be a holiday centered around "White Guilt." Noting productive could come out of such a move.

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Agreed. I wouldn't be at all opposed to the idea of a separate federal holiday centered around Native Americans. I'm actually kind of surprised that we don't have one already.

    I was simply saying that I opposed Juanita's idea of replacing Columbus Day entirely with what would essentially be a holiday centered around "White Guilt." Noting productive could come out of such a move.
    That's true. I'm not about endorsing that, especially since none of us had anything to do with it. I still don't like the fact that our educators lie to us about true historical events though. That is not history, that is mythology. I also don't like the fact that our nation honors this particular person by naming a national holiday after him. He doesn't deserve such an honor.

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