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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    I sympathize but I'd rather take a 'if it isn't broke' attitude. Almost everyone in the country can name Columbus Day and recite what it's about. Why tamper with that by changing the name?
    Which is frankly a fair point in and of itself. So long as people are educated as to the man's failings, what does it matter what the holiday is called?

    The name will eventually be changed anyway if public awareness of Columbus' ill-founded character becomes wide spread enough.
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    What is not necessarily so? That they would have evolved or their people revolted? Well of course that is not what happened, so it is conjecture....
    Maybe they would have become a flourishing beacon of civilization and liberalism. But when the Spanish arrived they were eating people. Color me skeptical. I'm glad the Aztecs are gone.

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    My favorite part is:

    "Some ignorant, white man from Bumretch Nebrahoma"

    Using bigotry to sell this narrative is deliciously ironic.

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    I sympathize but I'd rather take a 'if it isn't broke' attitude. Almost everyone in the country can name Columbus Day and recite what it's about. Why tamper with that by changing the name?
    Because we shouldn't be celebrating mass murder, slavery, and sex trafficking. It's like celebrating "Hitler Day", and saying that's it fine, as long as we teach children to be holocaust deniers. It's broken, we should fix it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Maybe they would have become a flourishing beacon of civilization and liberalism. But when the Spanish arrived they were eating people. Color me skeptical. I'm glad the Aztecs are gone.
    By the time the Spanish had got there, the Aztecs were at a relative peace within themselves and their neighbors. They still had fights and "wars", but these were mostly ceremonial, for the sole purpose of appeasing their gods (on both sides). Even if you combine all the various ways the Aztecs were killing each other, it pales in comparison to both the death rate in Europe, and the death rate in America once the Spanish started their war. It's also a bit of a myth, that the Aztecs were cannibals; they did eat small amounts of human flesh, but solely as a religious ritual. Even that had mostly fallen out of style by the time the Spanish arrived; only a small minority of Aztecs were still practicing the full ritual, and even then it was still not about "eating each other".

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Which is frankly a fair point in and of itself. So long as people are educated as to the man's failings, what does it matter what the holiday is called?

    The name will eventually be changed anyway if public awareness of Columbus' ill-founded character becomes wide spread enough.
    Not entirely likely. We have been disillusioned with Thomas Jefferson for about 60 years now, and about 30-40 for the public. Jefferson's public icon image is still going strong, regardless.

    That being said, I have no problems with creating a national holiday to celebrate Native American culture. The truth of the matter is, MLK Day doesn't somehow intellectually cause a problem for Americans that also celebrate the 4th of July. This is despite the implication that most of those individuals did not conceptualize their message of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness for African Americans. The public incorporates both holidays without contradiction, either consciously or out of ignorance. Regardless of that, it builds nationalism, and I am all for limited myth making in the pursuit of national unity.
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by douglas View Post
    Because we shouldn't be celebrating mass murder, slavery, and sex trafficking. It's like celebrating "Hitler Day", and saying that's it fine, as long as we teach children to be holocaust deniers. It's broken, we should fix it.
    Do we, by implication, do just that with President's Day? What about Independence Day?
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by AngryOldGuy View Post
    I must say that I'm glad you lefties are able to educate the rest of the folks in this country
    that we are indeed the most horrific nation ever founded in the history of mankind.
    Hrm... You do realize that Christopher Columbus was Italian and had absolutely nothing to do with the creation of the United States of America, right? There's hundreds of years in between these things.

    Your lack of education on absolutely everything is painfully obvious.
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    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Do we, by implication, do just that with President's Day? What about Independence Day?
    Presidents day is a celebration of George Washington's and Abraham Lincoln's birthdays; Although Washington owned slaves, Lincoln freed them. Other than that, I know of no great scandal surrounding them. Both of them did great things in the name of freedom. I'm not really seeing the "implication" here. If you mean, simply that they ruled the land after the Native Americans were persecuted, that could be said about every non-Native American living in America. The sins of the fathers do not weigh on the son; they should be judged on their actions within the scenario they were born in, and they both used their lives for good. (If I'm missing some big scandal surrounding the two, please tell me. I'm not seeing it.)

    Independence Day is the Nation's birthday. The nation is inanimate, and incapable of doing evil. Again, I'm not really seeing the "implication".

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by douglas View Post
    Presidents day is a celebration of George Washington's and Abraham Lincoln's birthdays; Although Washington owned slaves, Lincoln freed them. Other than that, I know of no great scandal surrounding them. Both of them did great things in the name of freedom. I'm not really seeing the "implication" here. If you mean, simply that they ruled the land after the Native Americans were persecuted, that could be said about every non-Native American living in America. The sins of the fathers do not weigh on the son; they should be judged on their actions within the scenario they were born in, and they both used their lives for good. (If I'm missing some big scandal surrounding the two, please tell me. I'm not seeing it.)

    Independence Day is the Nation's birthday. The nation is inanimate, and incapable of doing evil. Again, I'm not really seeing the "implication".
    The former started long before the celebration of Lincoln. It is directly connected to the same holiday of purely celebrating Washington. Furthermore, you're excusing Washington for doing matters in the name of freedom, when he clearly acted against freedom in other ways (including starting the trend of stomping out the Natives). Now, on top of that, Columbus acted in the name of exploration. We could excuse his actions with the same rationale, couldn't we (as we have)?

    The nation's birth was also at the same time the day that they signed a document that: (1) had no intentions of applying to African Americans and (2) was explicitly prohibited from implicating slavery was reprehensible, so as to not scandalize the slave economies of some of the colonies.

    From my angle you're applying your logic very selectively.
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Yes my supposed lack of anti-American education, your self-imagined superiority
    the left's virulent hatred of my country, you folks are too clever by half

    it must be sad to go through life such as you do

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