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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

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    You know where Galileo ended up..and Newton threw away his masterpiece on Calculus..
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    Imagine where we would be without glasses, with lenses and their many critical discoveries in the 1700s, which I like to call the century of Biology.
    That's not what I was talking about. Furthermore, I don't know about you, but my experience with Zip drives was bloody horrible. I am glad it was a dead technology.

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Wasn't there a push a few decades back to call it "Indigenous Peoples Day?
    Redskins' Day, I think it was.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well, that's debatable if you google it.

    Why did you spell it "Italion" though?
    More masculine than Italian.

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    How would you react if your homeland was attacked, conquered, your women and children slaughtered, etc, etc......I am more concerned with this country than I am about South American countries...
    It has nothing to do with how they "reacted" to European contact. They acted in a generally brutal and bloodthirsty manner amongst themselves before we even arrived.

    The Aztecs were just as avid "imperialists" as any European power, and they were far less gracious conquerors to boot.

    Honestly, I almost look at their defeat and subjugation at the hands of Cortez as being indicative of a certain degree of Karma. lol

    The Aztecs would have evolved in time.....or would have gone through revolution....
    I highly doubt it. They hadn't even managed to master basic iron working or the wheel yet, and their entire culture was basically founded on the ideals of conquest, human sacrifice, and brutality.

    The idea that they could've turned themselves around enough to be able to compete with European culture on any meaningful technological or philosophical basis in a mere five hundred years is pretty far fetched to say the least.
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post


    Yea... No. The last thing any country needs is holiday devoted more or less exclusively to wallowing in pitiful self-loathing over crimes that no one alive today played any role in whatsoever.

    Europeans are here, and they're here to stay. While I might suggest not centering it around someone like Columbus, I don't see anything wrong with the idea of a holiday commemorating the event which lead to this state of affairs.

    History is often a messy business. There isn't a culture in existence without at least a few skeletons in its closet.

    What's the point in crying over split milk?
    See any difference between crying over spilt milk and ceasing celebration of spilt milk?

    We could celebrate anything. E.g., the people who came here fleeing a tyrant, not a guy that brought tyranny to those who were here first.
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well, that's debatable if you google it.

    Why did you spell it "Italion" though?



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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Zip drive is my term for the latest 'thumb drive', sorry..
    Boody horrible huh..My British Mother still uses those kinds of expressions..
    Our family is eternally thankful for the USA taking care of her, now in a great assisted living..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    That's not what I was talking about. Furthermore, I don't know about you, but my experience with Zip drives was bloody horrible. I am glad it was a dead technology.

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    See any difference between crying over spilt milk and ceasing celebration of spilt milk?

    We could celebrate anything. E.g., the people who came here fleeing a tyrant, not a guy that was a tyrant.
    As I said, I would be gladly willing to move the focus of the day away from Columbus. I simply don't believe that a complete 180 should be pulled on the concept with something so silly as a "Native American" day.

    It simply wouldn't serve any real purpose. In no way would it actually "appease" Native Americans, and it would simply serve to make those of European descent ashamed of their own heritage.

    The very idea is frankly patronizing, to be honest.

    "Hey, I know we conquered you and all, but we gave you a holiday that only our own people really care about to make up for it. We cool?"

    I'm sorry, but it doesn't really work that way.

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?




    That was quite interesting, but I'm inclined not to believe it from one study...

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    As I said, I would be gladly willing to move the focus of the day away from Columbus. I simply don't believe that a complete 180 should be pulled on the concept with something so silly as a "Native American" day.

    It simply wouldn't serve any real purpose. In no way would it actually "appease" Native Americans, and it would simply serve to make those of European descent ashamed of their own heritage.

    The very idea is frankly patronizing, to be honest.

    "Hey, I know we conquered you, but we gave you a holiday that only our own people really care about to make up for it. We cool?"

    I'm sorry, but it doesn't really work that way.
    I sympathize but I'd rather take a 'if it isn't broke' attitude. Almost everyone in the country can name Columbus Day and recite what it's about. Why tamper with that by changing the name?

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That is certainly not necessarily so.


    What is not necessarily so? That they would have evolved or their people revolted? Well of course that is not what happened, so it is conjecture....

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