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Should we abolish Columbus Day?

Abolish Columbus Day, replace it with Bartolomé Day?

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Fiddytree said:
Not entirely likely. We have been disillusioned with Thomas Jefferson for about 60 years now, and about 30-40 for the public. Jefferson's public icon image is still going strong, regardless.

That being said, I have no problems with creating a national holiday to celebrate Native American culture. The truth of the matter is, MLK Day doesn't somehow intellectually cause a problem for Americans that also celebrate the 4th of July. This is despite the implication that most of those individuals did not conceptualize their message of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness for African Americans. The public incorporates both holidays without contradiction, either consciously or out of ignorance. Regardless of that, it builds nationalism, and I am all for limited myth making in the pursuit of national unity.
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Ummm I had to think about this for a minute...The 4th commemorates the founding of a nation...I would think this would be more of a problem for Native Americans than African Americans...Myth making is just another way of saying that it's a big fat lie....
 
Fiddytree said:
Do we, by implication, do just that with President's Day? What about Independence Day?
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Now that is a good point...With Presidents like Andrew Jackson, who needs a Hitler--but he wasn't the only one...
 
Juanita said:
Ummm I had to think about this for a minute...The 4th commemorates the founding of a nation...I would think this would be more of a problem for Native Americans than African Americans...Myth making is just another way of saying that it's a big fat lie....
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The Declaration of Independence removed the reference to slavery and was also promoted by a group of individuals that were gradualists at most for being against slavery and expansionists at most for those that defended slavery. It was also a holiday that was frequently protected by the white population and became a problem whenever blacks wanted to use its words for emancipation or for their revolution (see St. Domingue).

In a way, yes, it is a lie. A necessary lie each state creates to project unity of its population.
 
douglas said:
Presidents day is a celebration of George Washington's and Abraham Lincoln's birthdays; Although Washington owned slaves, Lincoln freed them. Other than that, I know of no great scandal surrounding them. Both of them did great things in the name of freedom. I'm not really seeing the "implication" here. If you mean, simply that they ruled the land after the Native Americans were persecuted, that could be said about every non-Native American living in America. The sins of the fathers do not weigh on the son; they should be judged on their actions within the scenario they were born in, and they both used their lives for good. (If I'm missing some big scandal surrounding the two, please tell me. I'm not seeing it.)

Independence Day is the Nation's birthday. The nation is inanimate, and incapable of doing evil. Again, I'm not really seeing the "implication".
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Why didn't they just change it to Washington and Lincoln Day instead of making it appear as tho we are supposed to celebrate all presidents...?
 
Juanita said:
Why didn't they just change it to Washington and Lincoln Day instead of making it appear as tho we are supposed to celebrate all presidents...?
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Well Wilson has his own holiday. It is April 15th!
 
Juanita said:
Why didn't they just change it to Washington and Lincoln Day instead of making it appear as tho we are supposed to celebrate all presidents...?
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They used to lump them together... back in the old days.:2razz:
 
Juanita said:
Maybe they should rename it Native American Day...
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Out here on the West Coast (at least in Berkeley and San Francisco) it's been referred to as "Indiginous People's Day" for at least 15 years (give or take).
 
ChrisL said:
That's doesn't explain why you purposefully misspelled it several times in this thread. Perhaps that's a bit of your own bigotry rearing it's ugly head?
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Some people can be so bitchey--one wonders why? My father was born in Italy so maybe "your" bigotry is rearing its ugly head....You don't seem to have a clue about very much.....
 
ReformCollege said:
I agree wholeheartedly. And thank you for being first in line to offer the deed to your house. If we can just find more people like you, we can start a movement to show the Natives that we really do care. :lol:
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That is exactly what Andrew Jackson did to the Five civilized tribes--then sent them on The Trail of Tears....
 
Aderleth said:
Out here on the West Coast (at least in Berkeley and San Francisco) it's been referred to as "Indiginous People's Day" for at least 15 years (give or take).
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I wonder why...maybe because they were the last to get crushed... Or else they got the term from Canada....
 
Juanita said:
I wonder why...maybe because they were the last to get crushed... Or else they got the term from Canada....
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well San Francisco celebrates Jerry Garcia's birthday. Jerry Garcia contributed more to this Nation than Columbus did!!
 
Juanita said:
Oh T D, you are always throwing stuff over my head when I am totally focused on the subject at hand....OK, explain it to me......:confused:
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April 15th is Tax day. wilson pushed for an signed into law an income tax
 
TurtleDude said:
well San Francisco celebrates Jerry Garcia's birthday. Jerry Garcia contributed more to this Nation than Columbus did!!
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The only thing that Columbus contributed to this country was Spaniards--Conquistadores.... God Bless Jerry Garcia..:cool:
 
Neomalthusian said:
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Down where I live, Columbus Day isn't celebrated anymore. All it is is a day off for government workers and banks. A far cry from the festivities when I was a kid growing up in the 50's. Heck, even the grandkids have to go to school on Columbus Day. So as far as I am concerned, it really isn't a holiday anymore, just a day off for some while most work. Heck, I haven't even seen the stores put on Columbus Day sales that use to happen.

Since Columbus Day really doesn't mean anything anymore, it might as well be done away with. Not for the reasons you cited, but that it has really become just a dead holiday. Better just call it a dead day off for some. I don't care whether it stays or goes.
 
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TurtleDude said:
April 15th is Tax day. wilson pushed for an signed into law an income tax
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now there is an idea, replace Columbus Day with Tax Day. I say we make April 15th a Holiday. We should at least get a day off for all the money the government takes from us.
 
Perotista said:
now there is an idea, replace Columbus Day with Tax Day. I say we make April 15th a Holiday. We should at least get a day off for all the money the government takes from us.
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and federal election day should be APril 16th
 
Juanita said:
Some people can be so bitchey--one wonders why? My father was born in Italy so maybe "your" bigotry is rearing its ugly head....You don't seem to have a clue about very much.....
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That really doesn't explain your earlier posts.
 
TurtleDude said:
and federal election day should be APril 16th
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I will go for that if you go for an increase in taxes to compensate for each war/slash military action we get into.
 
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