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Thread: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    We celebrate Columbus Day because of the idea it represents not the man. It's almost cliche at this point to point out that Columbus was a fairly indecent man. There is nothing new in pointing out that he exploited the Indians he captured, was dictatorial to the colonists he ruled, and was generally an all around malcontent. That isn't the point. The point is that Columbus Day is a way of celebrating the arrival of Western civilization in the Americas and the 'completing' of the globe that it signified. Everyone in America knows this holiday as Columbus Day and Columbus day it should remain......

    Edit: Also on a complete side note I'm sick of hearing these sad yearnings for indigenous cultures and tribes gone by. Its not as though the tribes and civilizations encountered by Western settlers, whether Aztecs or the Powhatan's, were all that progressive and kind. In almost all cases their removal was an improvement. What remains a sad, sad mark on history is how the conquered were treated and the unstoppable impact and toll that disease took.



    "Their removal was an improvement."? That is a sick perception of history.... "Celebrating the arrival of Western 'civilization'.". That's a laugh... Old Chris was Italion--Italions consider this their own personal holiday...It should be abolished....

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post


    Yea... No. The last thing any country needs is holiday devoted more or less exclusively to wallowing in pitiful self-loathing over crimes that no one alive today played any role in whatsoever.

    Europeans are here, and they're here to stay. While I might suggest not centering it around someone like Columbus, I don't see anything wrong with the idea of a holiday commemorating the event which lead to this state of affairs.

    History is often a messy business. There isn't a culture in existence without at least a few skeletons in its closet.

    What's the point in crying over split milk?


    So we don't spill it again?

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Eh, if you ask me that honestly, my reply would be to move toward to saying that it's difficult to claim to know what real history is, because it's based on constant arguing of scholars and re-imagining the problem. :P
    The only real history we're sure of has Math and Science as its foundation..
    Science as we know it began with these Explorers and their inventions..
    Late last night, H2 cable had the top 101 inventions, just awesome stuff, with the 'wheel' as #1.
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    "Their removal was an improvement."? That is a sick perception of history.... "Celebrating the arrival of Western 'civilization'.". That's a laugh... Old Chris was Italion--Italions consider this their own personal holiday...It should be abolished....
    I thought he was Spanish, but regardless what the hell is an Italion?

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    So we don't spill it again?
    Where exactly?

    For that matter, it's not like the natives were entirely innocent in all of this either. Europeans may have committed more than their share of atrocities, but most of the native cultures weren't much better.

    Honestly, we should probably count it as blessing that the Aztecs and their ilk were done away with.

    Would you want to live in a world where they were still around?

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Speaking of days in Illinois, we have both Lincoln and President's day and schools are inconsistent..
    When MLK day came in, Polish folks demanded their day also..
    Hence, Casimir Pulaski day, the Polish-American hero who saved Washington's butt at Valley Forge..
    Once again, a teachable moment..
    Btw, our schools are allowed to opt out of missing these days, but must have a 'program'.
    This TEAt attitude is abating.
    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    "Their removal was an improvement."? That is a sick perception of history.... "Celebrating the arrival of Western 'civilization'.". That's a laugh... Old Chris was Italion--Italions consider this their own personal holiday...It should be abolished....
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Where exactly?

    For that matter, it's not like the natives were entirely innocent in all of this either. Europeans may have committed more than their share of atrocities, but most of the native cultures weren't much better.

    Honestly, we should probably count it as blessing that the Aztecs and their ilk were done away with.

    Would you want to live in a world where they were still around?
    Gotta say, you make a heck of a point!

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Gotta say, you make a heck of a point!
    I mean... Damn. You think modern Africa and the Middle East are bad?

    I don't even want to think about the kind of shenanigans we might be looking at if the Aztecs had hung around long enough to get ahold of machine guns and rocket propelled grenades.

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    The only real history we're sure of has Math and Science as its foundation..
    Science as we know it began with these Explorers and their inventions..
    Late last night, H2 cable had the top 101 inventions, just awesome stuff, with the 'wheel' as #1.
    How is that "real history"? We call that history of science or history of technology, and that's just as contentious of a field as any.
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    cool!
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