View Poll Results: Abolish Columbus Day, replace it with Bartolomé Day?

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    You are talking nonsense.
    I am sure you are acquainted with the difference between legal and illegal, right?
    What was done back then was legal. What is being done now is not.
    It was what the kings and queens determined was legal, but not much more. No polls, internet, democratic media, you can't assume what was and wasn't popularly accepted as ethical. What's interesting is that when you fast forward to, say, the birth of the United States and its free speech, while slavery was still legal you suddenly became fully aware of the dissent against slavery. That should be telling.

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That Columbus, he was one special dude you know! The next pet I have, I'm going to name it Columbus.
    Were you named after him Chris?

    Wasn't he up for Times "Man of the Year" back in '03?

    I heard he might get a posthumous Nobel Peace Prize this next round.
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Were you named after him Chris?

    Wasn't he up for Times "Man of the Year" back in '03?

    I heard he might get a posthumous Nobel Peace Prize this next round.
    Lol. If his real name was Christine, then perhaps.

    I wouldn't be surprised if he did get the Nobel. It's a real joke. What will the category be? Humanitarian? Lol.

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Lol. If his real name was Christine, then perhaps.

    I wouldn't be surprised if he did get the Nobel. It's a real joke. What will the category be? Humanitarian? Lol.
    With Obama and Gore getting one?

    That award became a meaningless piece of crap the moment the gave it to Yasser Arafat. And Gandhi never won one? What a crock.
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    With Obama and Gore getting one?

    That award became a meaningless piece of crap the moment the gave it to Yasser Arafat. And Gandhi never won one? What a crock.
    I agree. They have no more value than the toy at the bottom of a cereal box.

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Yes I know. My IQ routinely tests between 153 and 167.
    Ya know, you are supposed to tell them your real age when you take those tests...

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Why do people act as if Columbus is the sole cause of the downfall of the native culture in this hemisphere? It was a group effort and if he wasn't leading that first group that was able to remain established, then it would've been somebody else within a few years. People act as if it weren't for Columbus, this hemisphere would still be "undiscovered" and the native population would be crapping rainbows and blowing unicorns.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Ya know, you are supposed to tell them your real age when you take those tests...
    You mean you don't?
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    It was what the kings and queens determined was legal, but not much more.
    And?
    If it wasn't illegal for him to do it wasn't illegal for him to do.
    End of story.



    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    fast forward to, say, the birth of the United States and its free speech, while slavery was still legal you suddenly became fully aware of the dissent against slavery. That should be telling.
    Telling of what?
    Dissent of slavery has always been expressed.

    I think what is more telling are the supposed numbers of it today.
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Routinely? I surely believe that.
    I care not what you believe.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    When people toss out their IQ's so fast that is generally a sure fire indication that they are full of ****.
    Funny, as that is what a person with a low IQ says.
    It is also what someone who would lie about their actual IQ would say as well.

    And it wasn't really that fast.
    You have tried to be insulting towards my age, and now towards my intelligence.
    It is an appropriate reply to quell you asinine juvenile antics.

    And yes. I did see the IQ thread.
    I do not believe you one bit.
    Your responses here, and your displayed inability to reason are not indicative of one who has a high IQ as you profess.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Even if it is true there is more critical thinking, recognition, humility, etc than a person's IQ
    You don't say?
    Please, do go on, and on, and on.... Really, push on, or stop with your juvenile antics.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    And you just called me childish. Doesn't the one wanting to alter a behaviour model what they constitute appropriate behaviour?
    Still not paying attention to what has been said huh?
    To what was that said in response?

    I did tell you I was going to respond in kind. Did I not?


    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Sure thing scooter...
    Absolutely that is a sure thing scooter.
    You just complained about it above.

    As I already stated.

    that is throwing them back in your face.
    It points out how juvenile you are being, and leaves no mistake how your own words are meant to be taken.
    And make no mistake, I am going to continue to do it.
    If you don't like it, your best bet is act like an adult and not throw them out there to begin with.

    Yet you continue on with your juvenile antics.
    Act like an adult and stop throwing them out there. You will get none in reply.
    It is very simply.



    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Still confused...
    Yes you are still showing you are
    It is a well known fact that the act of killing is not murder without a law making it so.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    That is not what I said...
    Yeah it is. Quoted even.
    And that is not the only time.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Laws are based off of a societies morals. There have been murder laws since the Code of Hammurabi in ancient Mesopotamia. Really, you argument is pathetic.
    Your argument is what is pathetic as Columbus's action were not illegal and therefore not Murder.
    What you said has absolutely nothing to do with the legality of his actions.
    He was allowed to do as he did.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Not Murder under US Legal Code to Columbus as it was not written yet and as argued by you.
    Yes Murder as in the immoral killing of other humans that has been recognized probably since cave men chilled back in the day...
    Wrong again.
    You even have your arguments messed up.
    Not illegal period.

    It wasn't murder.
    It was killing.
    He was allowed to do what he did.
    That is the distinction that you fail to make.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    So no state sponsored declaration of war was declared. Got it.
    You haven't yet shown that there was You lost. And worse, you fail to see the analogy I provided.
    No you obviously don't get it.
    I have shown he declared war. The information provided said that he was allowed to do so.

    You haven't shown that he wasn't allowed, so you have failed.
    Your analogy isn't relevant to any point you are trying to make that is because you are assuming something that you do not know.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    US Constitution. "Congress shall have power to ... declare War". Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution.
    Showing you are confused again.
    This does not support any of your claims.
    Your analogy failed.
    Did you have trouble understanding what you quoted?
    Do you not know how to stay in context?

    First of all, this is your failure.
    I stated that "He declared war", which is clearly supported by the information I provided.
    That information states that the "King Ferdinand ... gave him anything he needed to break and conquer the natives."
    Wtf do you think that means? Huh? Conquer. Is this another word you need explained to you?

    When the report stated that "his demands were met with surprising defiance which allowed him to then declare war" what the heck do you think "allowed him to declare war means?

    You are the one assuming and alleging that he needed the Queens approval. That is on you to support. So please provide proof of it.
    I supported what I said. It is now up to you to support what you say.
    But I know you wont.
    Because you failed to support any of your claims that you have been asked to thus far.

    In context your reply is nonsense.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Who siad it was illegal? I said it was an undeclared war. "The Vietnam War was not a declared war... " 160 my ass... you are so full of crap.

    They had to create the War Powers Act to reign in Nixon after they repealed the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution back in '71 or '72.
    Yeah routinely above 160. But it doesn't appear that you even reach 110.
    You clearly display a lack of reasoning.
    Back to the claim.

    You have yet to provide any proof that it wasn't a "real war." Not Vietnam, Do'h! as your analogy fails. But the war Columbus was allowed to declare.
    You keep trying to doge the question.
    That is because you can't show he wasn't allowed to do so.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Hence the undeclared war. You just love shooting yourself in the foot, don't you? That is not a crack at your disability status, BTW.
    No.
    You are the only one shooting themselves in the foot, and mouth.

    There is no hence.
    The only equivalency between them is that they were both allowed to do as they did.
    It was legal.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Without declaring war he was really an illegal immigrant...
    Wrong!
    Absurdly wrong.
    He was there to conquer.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I am distinguishing between your "today it's murder and before it wasn't". And initially he was a visitor attempting to get to India. He broke their laws, undoubtedly.
    No, they broke their conquerors laws.
    Like you said (if true); "There were no murder laws against Natives."

    You are not distinguishing anything.

    He was allowed to do as he did. Therefore is was not murder.
    Which is again why the Truman comparison is apt.
    Under today's laws doing what you are allowed to do is legal and not murder.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Keep up the brilliant analysis...
    As presented, you have no clue as to what you have argued. So yeah, it is brilliant analysis.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    You are bringing up abortion? WTF? Yeah, I think I will drop it as you are clearly delusional... wish I had seen this last part before I wasted my time above.
    Delusional?
    Ha. The delusion is all yours.

    Are you saying it isn't true?
    Are you saying that you don't call abortion murder, when it is not.
    Which is the same thing here, you are calling legal killing murder, and it just isn't.
    Your actions and assertions here are what have been delusional.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Laws are subjective... that is why you fail.

    Great argument for keeping separate but equal as a law...
    Oy Vey!

    This is again your failure... to reason.

    Your argument that laws are subjective is also a great argument for keeping separate but equal as a law as well.
    Duh!

    No, Laws are not subjective. They are the Law.
    And are supposed to be black and white without and any vagueness.
    Which would be objective.

    How they come to be a law is what is subjective.
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