View Poll Results: Abolish Columbus Day, replace it with Bartolomé Day?

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Yes I know. My IQ routinely tests between 153 and 167.
    Anything else you would like to say Alec, or will you finally stop with getting personal?
    My money is on you not stopping.
    Routinely? I surely believe that. How many IQ tests have you taken and why?

    When people toss out their IQ's so fast that is generally a sure fire indication that they are full of ****. Even if it is true there is more critical thinking, recognition, humility, etc than a person's IQ

    And you just called me childish. Doesn't the one wanting to alter a behaviour model what they constitute appropriate behaviour?

    For heavens sah-keh.
    I said I parroted them back to you as they apply to you far more than they apply to me.
    And yes that is throwing them back in your face.
    It points out how juvenile you are being, and leaves no mistake how your own words are meant to be taken.
    And make no mistake, I am going to continue to do it.
    If you don't like it, your best bet is act like an adult and not throw them out there to begin with.
    Sure thing scooter...

    We know you are, but you shouldn't be confused on that issue at all. Killing is not murder.
    Still confused...

    Said the guy who said he wasn't arguing that it was.
    Figures. I knew you didn't know what you were arguing.
    That is not what I said...

    Wrong.
    You don't get it.
    Killing like that has not always been murder.
    Laws are based off of a societies morals. There have been murder laws since the Code of Hammurabi in ancient Mesopotamia. Really, you argument is pathetic.

    This looks like it would be a great signature.

    Bodhisattva ~ "I didn't argue that it was murder"
    Bodhisattva ~ "I have been arguing that it is murder all along. "
    Not Murder under US Legal Code to Columbus as it was not written yet and as argued by you.
    Yes Murder as in the immoral killing of other humans that has been recognized probably since cave men chilled back in the day...

    First of all, this is your failure.
    I stated that "He declared war", which is clearly supported by the information I provided.
    That information states that the "King Ferdinand ... gave him anything he needed to break and conquer the natives."
    Wtf do you think that means? Huh? Conquer. Is this another word you need explained to you?

    When the report stated that "his demands were met with surprising defiance which allowed him to then declare war" what the heck do you think "allowed him to declare war means?
    So no state sponsored declaration of war was declared. Got it. You lost. And worse, you fail to see the analogy I provided.

    You are the one assuming and alleging that he needed the Queens approval. That is on you to support. So please provide proof of it.
    I supported what I said. It is now up to you to support what you say.
    But I know you wont.
    Because you failed to support any of your claims that you have been asked to thus far.
    US Constitution. "Congress shall have power to ... declare War". Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution.

    Your understanding is what is ****ed up.
    As with the Presidents during the Vietnam Conflict, he had the authority to act in such a way.
    It wasn't illegal.
    Who siad it was illegal? I said it was an undeclared war. "The Vietnam War was not a declared war... " 160 my ass... you are so full of crap.

    They had to create the War Powers Act to reign in Nixon after they repealed the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution back in '71 or '72.

    Nor do our laws of today apply to yesterday. Or did you not know that?
    Hence the undeclared war. You just love shooting yourself in the foot, don't you? That is not a crack at your disability status, BTW.

    More confusion on your part. As a conquer, he was not.
    Without declaring war he was really an illegal immigrant...

    Yes you are.
    Murder is an illegal act.
    You can't call a legal killing murder.
    And looky there. Here you are contradicting yourself again.
    I am distinguishing between your "today it's murder and before it wasn't". And initially he was a visitor attempting to get to India. He broke their laws, undoubtedly.

    You have no clue as what you have been arguing.
    Keep up the brilliant analysis...

    I think I understand what the problem is.
    If you concede that simply killing is not murder, then your position that killing the unborn is murder falls.
    I would suggest we drop the discussion if this is the case, because I am not wrong, and you could never show that you aren't.
    You are bringing up abortion? WTF? Yeah, I think I will drop it as you are clearly delusional... wish I had seen this last part before I wasted my time above.
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Yeah, it pretty much does.
    Laws are subjective... that is why you fail.

    When illegal denotes wrong, yeah it pretty much does.
    Great argument for keeping separate but equal as a law...
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    No it does not. Alcohol USED to be illegal. Is it wrong to have a couple of drinks? Of course not. Slavery USED to be legal. Is slavery wrong? of course it is.
    You are confusing personal opinion with illegal.
    Something that is illegal is wrong under the law.
    That is why during prohibition many folks went to prison for their violations.
    It was still wrong then, though it may not be wrong now.

    Slavery is only wrong because of the law.
    That is evidenced by the many that still accept it.
    The law makes something wrong for all regardless of personal opinion.
    “The law is reason, free from passion.”
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    You are confusing personal opinion with illegal.
    Something that is illegal is wrong under the law.
    That is why during prohibition many folks went to prison for their violations.
    It was still wrong then, though it may not be wrong now.

    Slavery is only wrong because of the law.
    That is evidenced by the many that still accept it.
    The law makes something wrong for all regardless of personal opinion.

    I think it's universal personal opinion (except for perhaps a MURDERER) to consider the unwarranted murder of a whole bunch of people in a brutal and painful way, not to mention the rape and mutilations, wrong.

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I think it's universal personal opinion (except for perhaps a MURDERER) to consider the unwarranted murder of a whole bunch of people in a brutal and painful way, not to mention the rape and mutilations, wrong.
    Give it up. Why bother?

    Murder laws have been around for 4,000 years. It isn't a difficult concept... well, not to most.
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Slavery is only wrong because of the law.


    Hurts!



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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Give it up. Why bother?

    Murder laws have been around for 4,000 years. It isn't a difficult concept... well, not to most.
    It's okay because he discovered America and we have a holiday named after him.

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post


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    OMG!
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It's okay because he discovered America and we have a holiday named after him.
    He discovered America. A place that had approximately 10 million people living in it that already had discoverd it 30,000 - 60,000 years before. Oh, and Lief Erickson discovered it prior to Columbus too... damn, I am gonna name a burger after columbus because he is that awesome!
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He discovered America. A place that had approximately 10 million people living in it that already had discoverd it 30,000 - 60,000 years before. Oh, and Lief Erickson discovered it prior to Columbus too... damn, I am gonna name a burger after columbus because he is that awesome!
    That Columbus, he was one special dude you know! The next pet I have, I'm going to name it Columbus.

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