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Thread: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    By taking the position that because a thing was done then it was [more] acceptable, you'd have to extend that logic to any atrocities committed today. The official count is that there are currently 30 million slaves worldwide today. From the viewpoint of those studying history four hundred years from now one might arrive at the conclusion that the 21st century was just a different time and that slavery was fine.
    You are talking nonsense.
    I am sure you are acquainted with the difference between legal and illegal, right?
    What was done back then was legal. What is being done now is not.
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    The point is he was a savage who enjoyed torturing and maiming people.
    Why are you making claims you can not support?
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Why are you making claims you can not support?
    Well you don't HAVE to do those things, so quite obviously they WANTED to do those things. Is common sense not allowed in your world?

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    You are talking nonsense.
    I am sure you are acquainted with the difference between legal and illegal, right?
    What was done back then was legal. What is being done now is not.
    Legal does not equal right.

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Except slavery is universally decried today and actively combated by virtually every government and international law enforcement organization. A more apt analogy might be how people four hundred years from now look upon our explanations for 'collateral damage' in warfare as acceptable and something we generally shrug at. Likewise some of the things Columbus did (the bloody raids against the Taino's) were more or less tolerated even in his time, others were considered terrible even for the 16th Century and he was punished as a result. It is the latter that makes him particularly unpleasant.
    Everything above, but the last two sentences, I agree with, as the charge has not been proven.

    By 1498, conditions were so terrible that Spain had to send someone else to govern the colony, and Columbus was arrested. He was transported back to Spain in chains, to stand trial for his crimes. He was stripped of his titles and all claims to the lands that he “discovered.” He was later cleared of the most serious charges, but his titles were no longer his to enjoy.
    Christopher Columbus: The Man, The Myth, The Murderer - Liberty Crier

    The ones that would have been considered terrible would be those which were most serious, and he was cleared of them.
    Cleared of them and restored to his former position and glory and given monetary compensation for his incarceration.

    The only thing I am aware of his being found guilty was maladministration.

    The combination of his frail health and failing spirits could not deter Columbus. Even being shackled, with a trial and possible punishment looming, did not stop him from pursuing his goal. Columbus was returned to Spain by the end of October 1500. He was brought into the country in chains, a sad sight which sparked pity and compassion from those around him. After nearly six weeks the King and Queen ordered his release and called him before the royal court. This final meeting between the explorer and his royal benefactors was an emotional one, filled with apologies and tears from both sides. Columbus, mostly with the Queen’s insistence, was restored to his former position and glory and given monetary compensation for his incarceration. He was, however, still relieved of his position as ruler of the colonies in the New World.

    Columbus After 1493, Christopher Columbus, Social Studies, Glencoe
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well you don't HAVE to do those things, so quite obviously they WANTED to do those things. Is common sense not allowed in your world?
    Common sense is that this was the way things were done. Which has nothing to do with the assumptions you are making and can not support.



    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Legal does not equal right.
    When illegal denotes wrong, yeah it pretty much does.
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Common sense is that this was the way things were done. Which has nothing to do with the assumptions you are making and can no support.



    When illegal denotes wrong, yeah it pretty much does.
    Well illegal doesn't necessarily equal WRONG either.

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well illegal doesn't necessarily equal WRONG either.
    Yeah, it pretty much does.
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Yeah, it pretty much does.
    No it does not. Alcohol USED to be illegal. Is it wrong to have a couple of drinks? Of course not. Slavery USED to be legal. Is slavery wrong? of course it is.

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    It'd be pretty hard for someone to say that what Christopher Columbus supposed did is "good" or "right" in any way. That's for sure. It's disgusting what he did, legal or not, DISGUSTING.

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