View Poll Results: Abolish Columbus Day, replace it with Bartolomé Day?

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post


    Yea... No. The last thing any country needs is holiday devoted more or less exclusively to wallowing in pitiful self-loathing over crimes that no one alive today played any role in whatsoever.

    Europeans are here, and they're here to stay. I don't see anything wrong with a holiday commemorating the event which lead to this state of affairs.

    History is often a messy business. There isn't a culture in existence without at least a few skeletons in its closet.

    What's the point in crying over split milk?
    The point is that a lot of people don't feel right honoring a person like that with a national holiday. How about Christopher Columbus Sucks Day?

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Much of it is ignorance or oversimplification of one point of view to make it more palatable for a younger audience while not angering parents. Then again, at the elementary education level, I never accused my teacher candidate colleagues of being that intellectually curious of history. They all seemed to be more interested in chick shows, parties, and cute child stories.
    You would hope history teachers might actually know real history.

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Boy you just don't get it..
    A guy tries to reinforce what YOU said and bow-wow..
    Try the whole thread after a good night's sleep and a stiff cup of coffee.
    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Oh, so you're concerned about your vacation time? So then call it National Massacre of Native People's Day.
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    The point is that a lot of people don't feel right honoring a person like that with a national holiday. How about Christopher Columbus Sucks Day?
    I agree that centering the concept around Columbus probably isn't the best idea in the world. However, I'm not entirely opposed to the idea of a holiday celebrating the arrival of Western Civilization in the Americas either.

    Even with all the bad that happened, a lot of good came out of the discovery of the New World as well. It's a part of our history; the good, the bad, and the ugly. We should acknowledge it as such.

    Learn from the mistakes of the past, and move forward. Don't wallow in them just so other people can feel better about themselves.

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Boy you just don't get it..
    A guy tries to reinforce what YOU said and bow-wow..
    Try the whole thread after a good night's sleep and a stiff cup of coffee.
    Sorry but your posts are not easy to interpret. A lot of times they just don't make any sense. It's not my fault, and obviously I'm not the only one who has a difficult time deciphering your posts, and honestly if you're going to get a tude about it, then it's just not worth my time to even try.

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    I agree that centering the concept around Columbus probably isn't the best idea in the world. However, I'm not entirely opposed to the idea of a holiday celebrating the arrival of Western Civilization in the Americas either.

    Even with all the bad that happened, a lot of good came out of the discovery of the New World as well. It's a part of our history; the good, the bad, and the ugly. We should acknowledge it as such.

    Learn from the mistakes of the past, and move forward. Don't wallow in them. :2cents:
    I agree with that, but I still wouldn't object to calling the holiday something else. Cowabunga Day?

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    You would hope history teachers might actually know real history.
    Eh, if you ask me that honestly, my reply would be to move toward to saying that it's difficult to claim to know what real history is, because it's based on constant arguing of scholars and re-imagining the problem. :P

    To an extent they do. They know more than the average citizen, but that's not always saying much. Most teachers do not have time to read several monographs in a summer. If you're lucky they get to read one, and even then it's likely to be for mass consumption.
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I agree with that, but I still wouldn't object to calling the holiday something else. Cowabunga Day?
    "Discovery" or "Contact" day would work pretty well, IMO.

    Not quite as catchy though.

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Replace with St. Patricks day, so we can all sleep off our hangovers.
    "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Since he was an explorer, try teaching about explorers..
    That is called a 'Common Core' technique..
    After Magellen, Exploring morphed into studying stars with Tycho Brahe, whose nightly work over decades was used by 'Kepler' for his Laws of Planetary motion..
    Also, during the 1500's, the Vatican started clamping down on the 'Earth is not the center of the Universe' crowd..
    Copernicus and Roemer were not popular for proving that moons went around Jupiter..
    House arrest for Galileo in the 1600's is well chronicled..
    So yes, this is a teachable moment..
    We call that Vatican the Paul Broun TEAts today..
    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    You would hope history teachers might actually know real history.
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