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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Didn't that bumbling idiot think he was in India and THAT is why he called the native people "indians?" I think so IIRC. So not only was a mass murdering maniac but he was also a dumbass with an incompetent crew.
    That has no bearing on the fact of his discovery and what it lead to.
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    That has no bearing on the fact of his discovery and what it lead to.
    It led to us all knowing what a dummy and cold-blooded mass murdering jerk he was.

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It led to us all knowing what a dummy and cold-blooded mass murdering jerk he was.
    One; It in no way makes him a dummy.

    Two: Murder is the unlawful killing. Were his killings unlawful? What was that? They weren't? Go figure.

    Three: I prefer to judge the man by the period in which he lived. Not by today's standards.
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    They were in the habit of sacrificing one another to the gods by the thousands. Seems rather violent to me.
    And our cultures that had the Inquisition and many religious wars of murder, rape and torture are better?

    Living standard strikes me as being something that would probably be hard to measure, given how many of these cultures went extinct before they could really be studied in that regard.
    Then we probably shouldn't indicate that we had a better standard of living...
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    One; It in no way makes him a dummy.

    Two: Murder is the unlawful killing. Were his killings unlawful? What was that? They weren't? Go figure.

    Three: I prefer to judge the man by the period in which he lived. Not by today's standards.
    Yes it was murder. Didn't you read the OP? There were two you know.

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    And our cultures that had the Inquisition and many religious wars of murder, rape and torture are better?
    First off, the Inquisition can only be confirmed to have executed around 3000 people at most in almost 200 years of operation. Many of those executions were also in "effigie" only, meaning that no actual person was killed.

    Secondly, the Native Americans had just as many brutal wars as we Europeans ever did, with hundreds of thousands of human sacrifices tossed on top.

    I'm sorry, but the simple fact of the matter is that the overall balance is in Europe's favor here.

    Then we probably shouldn't indicate that we had a better standard of living...
    The technology and medical knowledge the West brought with them to the Americas has resulted in higher standards of living than the native cultures ever would've been able to provide for themselves within the same time frame.

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    One; It in no way makes him a dummy.

    Two: Murder is the unlawful killing. Were his killings unlawful? What was that? They weren't? Go figure.

    Three: I prefer to judge the man by the period in which he lived. Not by today's standards.
    The Spanish pretty clearly thought Columbus' killings were "unlawful." Why else would they have him imprisoned?

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He died thinking that he had discovered lands close to India and never realized that he landed on a new continent. 20 years and he never realized his mistake.
    Maybe he was just in denial because it was such a HUGE mistake.

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    One; It in no way makes him a dummy.

    Two: Murder is the unlawful killing. Were his killings unlawful? What was that? They weren't? Go figure.

    Three: I prefer to judge the man by the period in which he lived. Not by today's standards.
    I guess by ignoring it you are tacitly agreeing that you were wrong about who lead to the discovery of the America's.

    Three: His contemporaries called him a criminal. He tortured Europeans and natives alike. Out of an estimated 3 million natives only 50,000 survived. He tortured and killed people for small crimes and even for slights to the family. The time period he lived in? In that time period he was removed from office and charged with offence.

    Two: Killing the untold thousands that he did through the slave trade, torture and slaughter isn't murder because they didn't have that law yet. Don't try to be cute.
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    First off, the Inquisition can only be confirmed to have executed around 3000 people at most in almost 200 years of operation. Many of those executions were also in "effigie" only, meaning that no actual person was killed.

    Secondly, the Native Americans had just as many brutal wars as we Europeans ever did, with hundreds of thousands of human sacrifices tossed on top.

    I'm sorry, but the simple fact of the matter is that the overall balance is in Europe's favor here.
    Our cultures also brought us the Holocaust and both Mao and Stalins purges bringing that total to around 120 million dead. Does that work better?

    The technology and medical knowledge the West brought with them to the Americas has resulted in higher standards of living than the native cultures ever would've been able to provide for themselves within the same time frame.
    The biggest factor to standard of living is happiness. It includes the level of wealth, comfort, material goods and necessities available. That is a subjective list. There is no way to quantify the standard of living and our Western medical knowledge at the time was horrid. Crystals or blood letting to cure a fever? Horse****. The natives used herbs and natural remedies. I am not saying they were advanced but making some argument about our technology and medical knowldge is ridiculous.
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