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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Better standards of living by YOUR values.

    You make an assumption about how "every" European and Native American saw their own standard of living.

    Again from your subjective point of you try to objectively view another.
    Europeans were still in the Dark Ages when Columbus came West.

    The Natives used to consider the Europeans as dirty savages... ironic.
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Columbus had nothing to do with America being established... that would be the English and French.
    Oy Vey!
    Did you not understand the wording "lead to".
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Well. That is an interesting argument.
    Thanks! I thought so too.

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Oy Vey!
    Did you not understand the wording "lead to".
    Cortez had more to do with the US being established than Columbus.

    Columbus had as much to do with the foundation of the United States as did Marco Polo.

    My relatives came over on the Mayflower... they are the ones that lead to the establishment of the good ole' US of A.
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Cortez had more to do with the US being established than Columbus.

    Columbus had as much to do with the foundation of the United States as did Marco Polo.

    My relatives came over on the Mayflower... they are the ones that lead to the establishment of the good ole' US of A.
    And that voyage may never had happened in the same time frame was it not for Columbus.
    His discovery lead to this Country being established. End of story.
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    And that voyage may never had happened in the same time frame was it not for Columbus.
    His discovery lead to this Country being established. End of story.
    Didn't that bumbling idiot think he was in India and THAT is why he called the native people "indians?" I think so IIRC. So not only was a mass murdering maniac but he was also a dumbass with an incompetent crew.

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    And that voyage may never had happened in the same time frame was it not for Columbus.
    His discovery lead to this Country being established. End of story.
    Nope. It was Ptolemy who miscalculated the circumference of the Earth... making it too small. Columbus used this miscalculation in an attempt to sail West to Asia. It was Ptolemy who lead to the USA being established. Keep trying though...
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Didn't that bumbling idiot think he was in India and THAT is why he called the native people "indians?" I think so IIRC. So not only was a mass murdering maniac but he was also a dumbass with an incompetent crew.
    He died thinking that he had discovered lands close to India and never realized that he landed on a new continent. 20 years and he never realized his mistake.
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Nope. It was Ptolemy who miscalculated the circumference of the Earth... making it too small. Columbus used this miscalculation in an attempt to sail West to Asia. It was Ptolemy who lead to the USA being established. Keep trying though...
    Yes, Columbus' discovery was accidental, and he thought he was in "Indies." My mistake, I thought it was India.

    Christopher Columbus, of course, thought he had arrived in the “Indies,” the medieval name for Asia. Using Marco Polo's Travels among other sources, Columbus calculated that his voyage would lead him to Cathay (China), Cipango (Japan), the Spice Islands (the Mollucas), and India.

    A Slow Boat to China

    After landing on a small island on Oct. 12, 1492, in what he believed were the Indies, Columbus sailed along the coast of Cuba, certain that he had finally reached the continent of Cathay. He searched in vain for the magnificent cities Marco Polo had described, hoping to deliver a letter from the Spanish monarchs to “the great Khan,” the Chinese emperor. “Afterwards,” Columbus wrote on Oct. 21, “I shall set sail for another very large island which I believe to be Cipango, according to the indications I receive from the Indians on board.” Columbus's Japan proved to be the island of Hispaniola.

    Refusing to Ask for Directions

    Three voyages later, Columbus still resolutely maintained that he had reached Asia despite growing contrary evidence. Amerigo Vespucci's 150l voyage along the coast of South America convinced most explorers and their patrons that a huge unexplored continent existed across the Atlantic—what Vespucci called Mundus Novus, the New World. Columbus, however, died in 1506 still insisting that he had found a new route to Asia.

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Are you implying that Native American's were more violent and had a worse standard of living than did the Europeans?
    They were in the habit of sacrificing one another to the gods by the thousands. Seems rather violent to me.

    Living standard strikes me as being something that would probably be hard to measure, given how many of these cultures went extinct before they could really be studied in that regard.

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