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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hypersonic View Post
    Call it, Discovery day.
    Discovery of what? A land already occupied by humans?
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by AngryOldGuy View Post
    oh yeah just a teensy teeny tiny little miniscule fraction yeah ok
    and the country is more like you 'people' instead? har please
    And yes small. And it has nothing to do with being American.

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Discovery of what? A land already occupied by humans?
    No. I mean discovery from different cultures of the world from scientific to geographical to whatever that gives different cultures a spot light in what they've done and that which is popular in contemporary society.
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hypersonic View Post
    No. I mean discovery from different cultures of the world from scientific to geographical to whatever that gives different cultures a spot light in what they've done and that which is popular in contemporary society.
    Yeah... fair enough.

    His discovery also lead to an important reversal in science. The circumference of the Earth. It was originally done by some guy in Egypt almost perfectly, within a few hundred K's, and then recalculated hundreds of years later by a guy who did in much smaller, 17,000K's or something. He was friends with the Pope, I think, and that became the official version and that is why Columbus thought he could sail to China/India directly.
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He was only criticised because he did it to European colonists too... if he had just done it to the natives he never would have been questioned and would have been a hero as Cortez and Pizzaro were..
    Not necessarily. Most of the allegations brought against him involved his treatment of the natives.

    Cortez may have very well been a conqueror, and Pizzaro may've been a particularly brutal conqueror. Columbus' actions, however; went far beyond any of that. He didn't "conquer" Hispaniola, so much as himself up as the reigning "Kurtz" in his own private heart of darkness.

    The Spaniards might not have necessarily been opposed to slavery, and they certainly weren't opposed to conquest. However, that being said, they were not exactly orcs dead set on wanton cruelty and destruction either. Columbus crossed well over the line even by their standards.

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Not necessarily. Most of the allegations brought against him involved his treatment of the natives.

    Cortez may have very well been a conqueror, and Pizzaro may've been a particularly brutal conqueror. Columbus' actions, however; went far beyond any of that. He didn't "conquer" Hispaniola, so much as himself up as the reigning "Kurtz" in his own private heart of darkness.

    The Spaniards might not have necessarily been opposed to slavery, and they certainly weren't opposed to conquest. However, that being said, they were not exactly orcs dead set on wanton cruelty and destruction either. Columbus crossed well over the line even by their standards.
    I have been reading up today and the more I read the more I tend to think that you got him dead on.
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I have been reading up today and the more I read the more I tend to think that you got him dead on.
    It's actually kind of bizarre how Columbus has an almost glowing reputation in modern popular culture, where Cortez is largely remembered as being some sort of blood thirsty barbarian. It was really quite the opposite.

    Cortez was a shrewd diplomat and pragmatic warrior who lead a native coalition to take down one of the most brutal regimes in recorded human history. Columbus was basically a power mad lunatic who got lucky enough to stumble upon one of the most important discoveries in Western history in spite of his own incompetence.
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    I think we shouldnt celebrate it at all.
    He was trying to find India and failed landed here murdered hundreds of thousands of natives, kidnapped them, and opened the door to the slave trade. He was a murderous scum.


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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Of course they do. Ever hear of Cinco de Mayo? How about St. Patrick's Day? Kwanzaa?
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Not necessarily. Most of the allegations brought against him involved his treatment of the natives.

    Cortez may have very well been a conqueror, and Pizzaro may've been a particularly brutal conqueror. Columbus' actions, however; went far beyond any of that. He didn't "conquer" Hispaniola, so much as himself up as the reigning "Kurtz" in his own private heart of darkness.

    The Spaniards might not have necessarily been opposed to slavery, and they certainly weren't opposed to conquest. However, that being said, they were not exactly orcs dead set on wanton cruelty and destruction either. Columbus crossed well over the line even by their standards.
    Spaniards may not have been cruel, but they changed the nature of a thriving culture for eurocentric ideals.
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