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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    of course we should abolish it.. we shouldn't have any federal holidays to begin with...except maybe for the 4th of July

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    and not gauge things by today's standards
    Otherwise, we'd have to start calling George Washington a terrorist.

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Times change, views change, when Columbus was alive, what he was doing was perfectly acceptable. We have to view things in a historical context and not gauge things by today's standards. Otherwise, we'd have to do away with most holidays celebrating any individuals.
    That eventually has to happen anyway. Should we celebrate Columbus day for the next 1,000 years? Or should older holidays that no longer represent something special to us be replaced by things that are important?
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by AngryOldGuy View Post
    Yes my supposed lack of anti-American education, your self-imagined superiority
    the left's virulent hatred of my country, you folks are too clever by half

    it must be sad to go through life such as you do
    You must be a troll. Even the other conservatives here are saying Columbus was a bad dude, they just disagree that this merits a shift towards 'Celebration of Native Americans Day.'

    And I agree -- I'm all for 'Explorer's Day' or something, and teach Columbus, Cortez, Magellan and the lot of them, with the good and the bad mixed in.

    I do not see how admitting Columbus in particular was a brute makes you anti-American.

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    That eventually has to happen anyway. Should we celebrate Columbus day for the next 1,000 years? Or should older holidays that no longer represent something special to us be replaced by things that are important?
    Important to who? If you don't like it, you're welcome to ignore it. Nobody will care. I think most holidays are pointless and I pay them no mind, that doesn't mean I'm out campaigning to eliminate them. Why does it bother you so much?
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    They are not celebrating any such thing.
    That is you twisting what is actually being celebrated.
    Right. What is being celebrated is honoring a guy that accidentally came across a land mass already occupied by people for 30,000 plus years. He then enslaved as many as he could. He never even knew that he had not found land around India. He failed and we honor him...
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Times change, views change, when Columbus was alive, what he was doing was perfectly acceptable. We have to view things in a historical context and not gauge things by today's standards. Otherwise, we'd have to do away with most holidays celebrating any individuals.
    It was more more common back then, which probably made it seem less shocking. However, it absolutely was not "perfectly acceptable."

    As I pointed out before, the Spanish Crown was absolutely appalled when they found out what Columbus was up to in the Americas, and had him (and his brothers) subsequently dragged back to Europe in chains. They released Columbus after an inquiry (mostly due to his failing health), but they denied him any share of the profits of his expeditions, which lead him to die disgraced and more or less broke just a few years later anyway regardless.

    The man was a scumbag loser even by the standards of his own era.
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    You must be a troll.
    next you'll tell me there's a good reason to stop calling Christmas, Christmas.
    It won't matter yer all bloody anti-American commies, I'd expect nothing less.

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    It was more more common back then, which probably made it seem less shocking. However, it absolutely was not "perfectly acceptable."

    As I pointed out before, the Spanish Crown was absolutely appalled when they found out what Columbus was up to in the Americas, and had him (and his brothers) subsequently dragged back to Europe in chains. They released Columbus after an inquiry (mostly due to his failing health), but they denied him any share of the profits of his expeditions, which lead him to die disgraced and more or less broke just a few years later anyway regardless.

    The man was a scumbag loser even by the standards of his own era.
    He was only criticised because he did it to European colonists too... if he had just done it to the natives he never would have been questioned and would have been a hero as Cortez and Pizzaro were..
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by AngryOldGuy View Post
    next you'll tell me there's a good reason to stop calling Christmas, Christmas.
    It won't matter yer all bloody anti-American commies, I'd expect nothing less.
    What does Christmas have to do with being an American?
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