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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    The idea isn't in response to imagining today's natives care deeply about it. The idea is in response to learning the reality about the individual after whom we named a national holiday.

    IF all that is true, then yeah he was a pretty sorry wretch even by the rough standards of the time.

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    I thought it had been switched to "Explorers' Day" or "Discoverers' Day" a few years back anyway. /shrug Doesn't bother me if it gets changed or not. But if it is changed, just change it to something neutral, like the above two or something else like them.

    It would still be viewed as it should, a day to celebrate Europeans first reaching America, and that leading to the culture that has now developed here.
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Haven't you folks remade the country enough?
    ok ok we get it America is the great satan enough already!

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Funnily enough, we had a co-worker email the entire staff today talking about Columbus Day and Thanksgiving. Basically saying that instead of thanking Columbus we should thank the indians and give her stuff.

    A few things to note.

    You are correct that Columbus was a bastard and many other things which I dare not use as this would just be one long astericks sentence.

    You are also "technically" correct when you state that Columbus did not discover America first. That the vikings didn't either. However, you are also technically wrong. It is all a matter of perspective. The Vikings did indeed "discover" the America's because they didn't know about it when they found it. The same applies to Columbus discovering it as those in Europe (england specifically) had no idea that the America's existed either. You can indeed "discover" something even if others have been to that place as a "discovery" can be based off of personal experiance and circumstances. When you "discover" something you find something that you previously had no idea existed.

    Next, I always laugh at those that point out the savagery of a particular culture and while doing so ignores the savagery of another culture. Everyone always laments and cries out about what the English and European folks did to the Native Americans...but who laments and cries out over those that the same Native American's displaced? Do you really think that was peacefully done? Of course not. It too was done in savagery. That was the common theme in any primitive people no matter the culture or place. Hell, its a common theme in present day "civilized" society. The actual people that "technically" discovered the America's are long since forgotten but over thousands of years new immigrants to this country continued to poor in via the landbridge and they always displaced those that came before them. Which reminds me...the term "Native" is actually a misnomer as none of the people in either of the America's originally came from them. They were all immigrants. IE: Not Natives.

    Now, I'm not going to Celebrate Columbus day or Thanksgiving day for the atrocities that Columbus did. But I am going to celibrate those days because if it wasn't for Columbus discovering the America's I would not currently be enjoying the life that I have right here, right now. I personally am not responsible for what he, or anyone else in the past or present time has done. I am only responsible for myself. And I refuse to let people blame me or mine for such things and will always point out the hypocrisy in people's response of Columbus Day, Thanksgiving day, or any other atrocity that was committed by people I not only have never even had a slight chance of meeting, but never will meet and/or be a party to. The Sins of the Father do not confer to the Child no matter what anyone says.
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by AngryOldGuy View Post
    Yes my supposed lack of anti-American education, your self-imagined superiority
    the left's virulent hatred of my country, you folks are too clever by half

    it must be sad to go through life such as you do
    I literally just explained this to you. Christopher Columbus was Italian, NOT American, so stop calling him part of your country.

    And if you want to talk to someone, click "reply with quote" so that person gets notified. I only saw your response because people kept liking my post telling informing you that Christopher Columbus wasn't an American. And this was added as a holiday within your lifetime, so this isn't your ****ing heritage either.
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    I don't know what that is, but in any event, no, I would like our nation to stop celebrating genocide.
    Nobody is forcing you to celebrate anything. If you don't like it, ignore it. You have no right to tell other people what to do.
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Nobody is forcing you to celebrate anything. If you don't like it, ignore it. You have no right to tell other people what to do.
    That argument doesn't really make sense. You're arguing over whether it should be a holiday or not. You say it should be, he says it shouldn't be. So "You have no right to tell other people what to do" is completely irrational, as you're doing the same.

    Why should it be a holiday? The guy was obviously a terrible person, and this isn't woven into the fabric of America. This holiday is only 100 years old.
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    That argument doesn't really make sense. You're arguing over whether it should be a holiday or not. You say it should be, he says it shouldn't be. So "You have no right to tell other people what to do" is completely irrational, as you're doing the same.

    Why should it be a holiday? The guy was obviously a terrible person, and this isn't woven into the fabric of America. This holiday is only 100 years old.
    I'm not saying it should be or it shouldn't be, I'm pointing out that wanting to revoke and existing holiday because it hurts someone's feelings is childish.
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Actually, it is interesting. Monday my husband has the day off but my son still has to go to school.

    I expect to see a few more dads or moms at dropoff or running club on Monday morning.
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I'm not saying it should be or it shouldn't be, I'm pointing out that wanting to revoke and existing holiday because it hurts someone's feelings is childish.
    In the world of political correctness, hurt feelings means a lot more than actions.
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